采訪：Stella Zhang & 閑人捷
整理：Stella Zhang
翻譯：閑人捷
偶遇瑜伽砸民，命中注定
Q: How do you make yoga a part of your life?
問：瑜伽是如何成為您生活的一部分的？
A: Yoga is definitely part of my life.
瑜伽確實是我生命的一部分固以。
I've made a choice and decision that my life is better and it has more purpose and meaning if I make yoga a part of my life.
我做了選擇和抉擇讓我的生命更美好滤蝠，讓瑜伽進入我的生活有著更多的意義和目的豌熄。
But I think it took long time till this happen. It's funny because I don't think I ever choose this.
但是我想這個發(fā)生拖了很長的時間。很有趣的是物咳，我從未想過選擇這些（瑜伽）锣险。
The first time I went into a yoga center was to be a builder.
我第一次進入瑜伽中心是作為一個建筑師。
I was asked to build the house for the ashram. Ashram is like an Indian concept.
我被邀請去建一個類似印度修習營的中心览闰。
This ashram is in the forest very near to where I lived in Australia.
這個修習營在森林附近離我在澳大利亞的住處很近芯肤。
It was set up around 40 years ago by Indians. It is the Indian style of yoga.
是四十多年前由印度人建造，很有印度風格压鉴。
So it's strange that I come to Indian style of yoga by accident. Or, meant to be.
所以我進入這個印度風格的修行營是個意外崖咨，或許，是命中注定油吭。
It took about 3 months. So I spent a lot of time sitting back and watching everything that the people do.
那個工程大概進行了3個月击蹲。所以我有很多機會坐在（教室）后面去觀察每一個人在做什么署拟。
They all come and stay there for months or years. These people are living yoga.
他們會在那個（瑜伽中心）待幾個月甚至幾年，就只是過瑜伽般的生活际邻。
They do classes, some are teachers, some are students and some are just interested and want to understand what is happening.
在課堂上芯丧，他們有些是老師芍阎，有些是學生世曾，有些人就是對瑜伽有興趣想知道這些都發(fā)生了什么。
And this was what I was surrounded by and watching.
這些觀察讓我臣服谴咸。
At the very beginning, I thought these people were very strange and I didn't want to have any to do with them.
剛開始的時候轮听，我覺得這些人很奇怪，不愿和他們有任何交集岭佳。
I would build my house and go away. So when they kept inviting me to come and do some yoga, I said no thank you.
我打算完成這個建筑工程就離開血巍。所以當他們邀請我一起做瑜伽的時候，我說珊随，算了吧述寡，謝謝。
But the one thing that I observed was that even though those people were really weird they were all really happy.
但是叶洞，我觀察到一件事鲫凶，這些人確實奇怪，也確實很幸福衩辟。
And that made me start to wonder how'd this make them happy.
這些都促使我想知道螟炫，什么讓他們如此快樂。
Before my leave, they kept inviting me to yoga class.
在我離開之前艺晴，他們一直堅持邀請我過來上瑜伽課昼钻。
I just refused because I thought myself was already strong and getting strong was the purpose of yoga I understood by then.
我一直拒絕，因為我覺得瑜伽只是能讓人強壯而已封寞，而我已經很強壯了然评。那是我對瑜伽最初的認知。
But in the end, I was about to leave, I thought I should go try one yoga class that can't hurt me.
但是在最后狈究，當我要離開的時候碗淌，我想我去試下瑜伽課吧，反正也不會有什么損失谦炒。
So I took 2 yoga classes and I could not believe that I felt so good after these yoga classes.
所以我去上了2節(jié)瑜伽課贯莺，課后，我簡直難以置信宁改，感覺太好了缕探！
I wondered may be that was why these people were so happy.
我開始理解，為什么這些人如此幸福了还蹲。
And in this time at my life, I have been working for 20 years in business which I was quite successful in.
在這之前爹耗，我已經工作了近20年耙考，而且還相當成功。
I was a boss and had many people working for me. But I had a lot of worry and pressure and stress in my life.
我原先是個老板潭兽，而且有很多員工倦始。但是我的生活中有很多焦慮和壓力。
I realized that money would not bring me happiness so I went to live in the forest to live with nature quietly and try to find some happiness.
我意識到錢并不能給我?guī)砗芏嗫鞓飞截裕晕揖妥≡诹松掷锶ビH近自然鞋邑，希望能找回快樂。
And this was the time when yoga came into my life. In the 2 classes I just did some asana and a little bit of breathing.
這時瑜伽進入了我的生活账蓉。在那兩節(jié)瑜伽課上我僅僅是做了一些體式和呼吸的練習枚碗。
That's why I couldn't understand because I thought this was so simple but it really had affect on me.
我不太明白為何這么簡單的事會影響到我。
I heard all of the people in this ashram talking they had a yoga course which would take 3 years and teach about the history and philosophy of yoga, the anatomy and how to do the practices.
我聽說修習營有一個3年的課程铸本，是關于瑜伽歷史肮雨、哲學和解剖學，還有瑜伽習練的箱玷。
Since I was living 10 minutes away and had plenty of spare time and I enjoyed of study, I decided that I would do this yoga training course.
從我住的地方到這里只需要10分鐘怨规，我熱愛學習又有充足的時間，所以我決定上這個課程锡足。
So I have lived half of my life very different way.
所以波丰，我的后半生有了不一樣的生活。
I started off as an apprentice in a communication company and I worked my way up over 20 years then I became the boss.
我在一家通訊公司實習舱污，用了20年的時間成為老板呀舔。
So I understand what it's like to be at bottom and what it's like to come up and to be at the top. It's not a good life style.
所以，我懂得如何從底層做到高層扩灯。這不是一個好的生活方式媚赖。
Too much money and too much worry.
太多的金錢導致太多的焦慮。
This leads to every night you going out to drink with everybody, you do not eat well, you do not exercise well, gambling and other crazy things.
這導致你夜夜笙歌珠插，吃垃圾食品惧磺，不常健身，賭博或是其他瘋狂的事捻撑。
But if someone had told me then, it's not a way for happiness, I wouldn't have believed them.
不過磨隘，如果那時有人和我說，這樣不能幸福顾患，我肯定不會相信他的番捂。
We learn everything through our experience in our life.
我們通過自己的人生經驗學習。
The mistakes we made are for a reason.
我們犯錯是有原因的江解。
They are for us to learn which is the right way and which is the wrong way.
這些（錯誤）讓我們學會哪些是正確的方式设预，哪些是錯誤的方式。
So I guess you could say that in some ways, all this time I was sort of doing yoga but I just didn't realize I was doing it.
從某種意義上說犁河，我在做瑜伽鳖枕，但我只是沒有意識到穿稳。
I could remember that I went to the charge of education in the ashram because I thought I didn't be able to start the study due to less experience in yoga.
我記得當我有機會在修習營學習時勃教，我想我沒有學習過瑜伽般卑，該如何開始呢梗掰？
I asked "what do I have to do before the class". And this big, scared man laughed suddenly and said "You are an old soul, you have being done this for a long time."
我問：“在課前我需要做什么嗎？”然后魏烫，一個高大威猛的男人突然笑了：“你是一個老靈魂了辣苏，你做這些已經很久遠了≡虬拢”
I looked at him and thought I have only done this for 2 classes, I didn't really understand what he meant. That's how I got involved with yoga 20 years ago.
我看著他想到考润，我才上了兩節(jié)課，我當時并不理解這句話的意思读处。而現在我做瑜伽已經20多年了。
And I think still I am studying in the course. I am very happy this all came to me because I never woke up on morning and said "Wow, my life would be good if I go and study yoga and become a yogi or a teacher." This is what I believe in "Something Else".
我想一直在此學習唱矛。我很愉快這一切發(fā)生在我身上罚舱，因為我之前從未想過有天早上醒來說：“我的人生會很好如果我去學瑜伽變成瑜伽士或是老師∫锴”我相信還有一些事指引著我管闷。
Because I think sometimes when you become open to a better way or a positive change or being helpfully useful, it would come to you.
因為我相信當你變得更加敞開一條更好更積極有用有益的變化就會來到。
You just need to be prepared to flow with whatever comes and go to try.
你只需跟隨它并且勇于去嘗試窃肠。
You can't just lie in your lounge in home watching TV with remote control and chocolate biscuits and wait for it comes to you.
當你只是在家看電視吃巧克力時包个，它是不會到來的。
It won't come that way. But when you are open to things like this, they will come to you.
它不是以那樣的方式來到冤留。但是當你像這樣敞開碧囊，它們就會到來。
But you must be able to realize and grab it. And you must work very hard to make it happen.
但是你必須意識并抓住它纤怒。然后糯而，努力把它變?yōu)楝F實。
It very makes me believe that we are not alone.
這讓我非常堅信泊窘，我們并不孤單熄驼。
Once we understand these, it helps to look for our purpose and the reason. I think that is the greatest thing yoga gave me.
一旦我們理解這些，它會幫助我們找到人生的目的烘豹。這是瑜伽帶給我最好的事情瓜贾。
It makes me connect to these ideas that we are born for a reason and for a purpose.
我與此聯結，明白了此生的意義携悯。
And even though maybe we don't understand what this is, it's part of our life to keep trying to discover this.
或者我們還未理解這意味著什么祭芦，那么余生我們將不斷的嘗試去發(fā)現。
聯結內在蚌卤，追隨此心
Q: So it's not like a decision after weighing out pros and cons, but more as following you heart?
問：所以這不是權衡利弊的決定实束，更多的是聽從內心的決定奥秆？
A: We've been talking about watching and feeling in meditation class, and when we connect with this aspect of ourselves it is the witness. It's like we are connecting with the one real truth and reality.
答：我們在冥想課上討論過觀察和覺知，當我們與內在聯結就像我們與真理和實相聯結一般咸灿。
It's like we can feel that something is correct and something is not.And this is how it works for me with yoga.
就像我們可以感知什么是對构订，什么是錯一樣。這就是瑜伽的工作避矢。
I didn't really know but something inside me said "Yes, go and try this".
我并不是很明白悼瘾，不過在我內心深處有個聲音對我說：“是的，去嘗試一下审胸『ニ蓿”
It wasn't my mind and it wasn't my conscious decision, it's my heart.
這個不是我的想法，不是我理性的決定砂沛，它來自我內心烫扼。
And looking back now, I could remember the guy who said to me "You are an old soul, you have done this before".
回想起來，我依然記得有人和我說過：“你是一個老靈魂碍庵，你之前就是做這個的映企。”
That makes me think that when I came back to this situation, I recognized it not consciously but inside myself recognized and said "It takes you 40 years but finally you have come back to what you are meant to be".
我常尘苍。回想當時的情景堰氓，我意識到那不是來自頭腦而是來自我的內心：“你用了四十多年終于回歸到你命中注定做的事情了∑幌恚”
And I think when you find or believe you are on the right track, it gives you a lot of strengths.
我想當你找到或是相信自己在正確的道路上時双絮，這會給你很多能量。
Because it's like for a long time you'd been wandering around in the desert, around and around, and suddenly one day you came to the end of it and you could see the green field and it's like now I could move quickly because I know where I am going.Within the desert you'd just wander in the circle and lost. That's sort of how I feel it.
就像你長時間在沙漠里打轉得问，一天當你突然看到綠洲囤攀，你會快速的朝他走去，因為你知道你將去往何處椭赋。當你在沙漠中你只是不斷的迷失和打轉抚岗。我的感覺就是這樣。
一不小心哪怔，變成老師
Q: How did you end up becoming a yoga teacher?
問：那你最后是如何變成瑜伽老師的宣蔚？
A: I sort of became a teacher by accident. At the end of 3 years yoga course they gave me a piece of paper and said "You have passed all the test, now you are a teacher".
我成為瑜伽老師絕對是個意外。當我結束了3年的瑜伽學習认境，他們（修習營）給了我一頁紙胚委，然后說：“你通過了所有測試，現在你是一名老師了叉信∧抖”
（They don't say "congratulation ". )
(他們竟然沒有說“恭喜”，閑人亂入）
I said "I don't want to be a teacher".
我說“我不想成為老師啊」杓保”
They said "Well, you are a teacher, now go and teach these classes, we need teachers."
他們說：“那個覆享，你現在是老師了，現在去上課吧营袜，我們需要老師撒顿。”
So I decided to teach. To my surprise, I found that I could do it.
所以我決定去教學了荚板。讓我很吃驚的是凤壁，我發(fā)現自己能做到。
And I could see teaching as a way to do of my Guru told me.
這正驗證了上師告訴我的方法跪另。
Once I asked him how to help people. He said "You would help in the way that is you.So there is not any one way. You will find a way."
一次我問他如何幫助他人拧抖。他說：“你就是一切的答案，這里沒有任何方法免绿，你要自己尋找唧席。”
You will must look at your strength and weakness.
你必須看到自己的優(yōu)缺點针姿。
But always I was attracted to teaching people.
但始終我為教學而著迷袱吆。
I used to go to the prison to teach criminals for 10 years.
我曾經有十年是在監(jiān)獄教犯人。
I learnt a lot of things teaching in there. Most of them were teenagers, very strong, violent and angry.
我在那里學到很多教學的事情距淫。那里大多數是未成年人，他們強壯婶希、憤怒還有暴力榕暇。
I didn't teach these guys how to do handstand or backward bend, they weren't interested in that, but they were interested in someone caring about them and someone showing them positive ways to grow and improve.
我不教他們如何頭倒立或是后彎，他們對那些沒興趣喻杈。他們關心是否有人在乎他們彤枢，讓他們成長與進步。
And I had to talk to them like they were and it sort of helped because I was a strong guy with tattoos or something that they understood.
我需要像他們一樣說話筒饰，讓他們理解我缴啡，我強壯的身體和紋身幫了不少忙。
They would look at me and think this guy talks like a girl, he talks about his heart but he looks like one of us, what's going on?
他們看著我瓷们，可能會覺得我講心靈之類的像個女孩业栅，可是我又和他們一樣，怎么回事呢谬晕？
It's maybe 10 or 15 of these big guys sitting in the class and they'd always liked fighting with each other in the class.
當時有10-15個大小伙坐在教室里碘裕，看起來隨時都能打一架。
In any moment I thought they would attack me or something but they never did. I can remember the day that these guys accepted me that's when they can start to learn from me.
有那么幾次我覺得他們會襲擊我攒钳，然而這并未發(fā)生過帮孔。我依然記得他們接受我并真正開始學習的那天。
One day 2 of the guards came to the door of the class who were big guys with guns. They knocked on the door and came in and asked me whether they could come in to do the yoga class.
一天不撑，兩個高大的配槍獄警敲開教室的門問我文兢，他們能不能來這學瑜伽晤斩。
And I looked at the guards and said "You are gonna have to ask the boys whether you could come in. It's their class."
我看著獄警和他們說，你們應該問問這些小伙子姆坚，這是他們的瑜伽課澳泵。
The guards looked at me and said "No!No!No! I want to come do the class".
I said "Yes!Yes!Yes! You have to ask them. It's their class."
獄警說：“不對！不對旷偿！不對烹俗！我們想上你的課∑汲蹋”
我說：“對的幢妄！對的！對的茫负！你要問他們蕉鸳，這是他們的課程∪谭ǎ”
Then the guard asked "Ok, boys, we wanna come do the yoga class."
然后獄警說：“好吧潮尝，伙計們，我們想上瑜伽課饿序∶闶В”
I said "You have to ask them properly."
我說：“你需要禮貌一點≡剑”
"Pls. can we come to your class?" The guard asked again and looked at me unhappily.
“請問乱凿，我們能來上課嗎？”獄警又問了一遍咽弦，然后生氣的看著我徒蟆。
The boys got together and talked to each other. And then they came and said "It's ok boss(they used to call me boss). These guys can come. They are not too bad." So the guards took the guns off and sat down and did yoga class.
這些男孩聚在一起討論了一會。然后和我說：“這個可以有老板型型，通常他們都是叫我老板段审。這幾個人還不錯，可以一起上課闹蒜∷峦鳎”所以，這些獄警卸了槍嫂用，和大家一起上課型凳。
At the end of this class, the boy who was like the ringleader came up to me and shook my hand.
課程結束后，一個看起來像頭目的男孩過來和我握手嘱函。
He said "Thank you very much for that teaching. That is the first time these guards have ever showed us any kindness or respect. We appreciate that."
他說：“謝謝你的教學甘畅。這是第一次這些獄警像我們表達友善和接納，我們很感激∈柰伲”
From that day, I got on really good with these guys. They just like accepted me and we made a lot of good progress. And I stayed and worked with those guys every week for 10 years.
從那時起蓄氧，我真正贏得了他們的心，他們接受了我并取得了很大的進步槐脏。我每周都會到那上課喉童，一直堅持了十年。
你快樂嗎顿天？我很strong
A: Will you call yourself a happy man?
問：你認為自己快樂嗎堂氯？
Q: I think I'm content. I don't like to use the word "happy". Because sometimes I am not happy but I need to come to accept happiness and no happiness are part of my life.
答：我想我是個容易滿足的人。我不喜歡用“快樂”這個詞牌废。因為有時我并不快樂咽白。我需要接受快樂與否都是生命中的一部分。
Your expectations must be realistic. If you think that every moment of your life can be happy in anyway because of something you have or something you do, you are going to be disappointed.
你可以如此希望鸟缕。如果你認為做什么或是擁有什么可以讓生活時時快樂的話晶框，那么你肯定會失望。
I very believe you must be realist in your world in this life. And you must see that life is not a way just of happiness, fun and prettiness etc. It can be dirty, ugly or very difficult.
我認為你必須認清現實懂从。生活不只是快樂授段、有趣和美好，它還有臟亂番甩、丑陋和艱難侵贵。
But you would come to see that sometimes these times of difficulty is way you learn the most.
但是，你必須知道艱難是讓你學習的機會缘薛。
And times of difficulty will make you rise up and become better and stronger until overcome obstacles.
歷經艱難模燥，你才會成長強壯。
So in this way, obstacles are good things. I think when you open to this, you can take things more in your stride in your life. That's the strength I've talked about.
從這個角度看掩宜，阻礙是件好事，如果你能如此理解么翰，你的生活將會更加從容牺汤。這就是我說的力量。
It means your inner self is very strong. Because your inner self doesn't care about what other people think which is the most of us are very connected to.
這意味著你的內在非常強大浩嫌。因為在內在你將不在意別人怎么看你檐迟。
If you know you are good and strong, you are good and strong. And if you believe you are good and strong you can do anything.
如果你認為自己優(yōu)秀和強大，你就是如此码耐。如果你深信這點追迟，你可以做任何事情。
文末八卦，我知道你們只想看這個…
Q: Is it a must to be single as a Swami?
問：做Swami需要單身嗎？
A: No. I can get married if I want to but I never find anyone who can put up with me.
答：不是廓块，我可以結婚厢绝，如果遇到合適的。
But I think that the idea with marriage is probably you would only have one person. You wouldn't have many wives or girlfriends.
但是带猴，我想結婚對象只能是一個昔汉。你不會有很多老婆或是女朋友。
So I would probably marry somebody that thought the same ideas and we could support and help to grow with each other like a team member.
所以拴清，我可能會娶一個相同價值觀靶病，互相支持與成長的人，更像一個團隊成員一樣口予。
I don't ever look for marriage. I have many opportunities to be married but I never met right person.
我沒有強求婚姻娄周。我有很多機會可以結婚，但是我從沒有遇到對的人苹威。
Or when I thought that I had met the right person they didn't want to have anything to do with me.
也許昆咽，我遇到了，而對方并不覺得我是那個人牙甫。
But I see it sometimes if I had got married 10 or 20 years ago, I wouldn't be in China now.
但是掷酗，有時我又在想如果十年，二十年前我就結婚了話窟哺，我現在也不可能在中國泻轰。
So it comes back to that the universe will guide you to where you meant to be.
所以宇宙會指引我何去何從。
And as far as marriage is concerned, if it comes it comes, if it doesn't come it doesn't come.
就婚姻而言且轨，得者浮声，我幸，不得旋奢，我命泳挥。
I believe that universe will decide when that would come or happen. I am just open on that subject.
我相信宇宙會決定什么應該發(fā)生或是到來。我只需全然接受至朗。
Q: Have you ever met your soul mate?
問：那您遇到過靈魂伴侶嗎屉符？
A: Maybe I have. I think I have met some people who I felt very comfortable with.
答：應該有吧。我想我遇到一些讓我很舒服的人锹引。
Usually I think it is my soul mate after they have gone. And I looked back and I think maybe she was my soul mate.
一般來講矗钟，我想他們是我的靈魂伴侶吧，他們就離開了嫌变《滞В回想起來我覺得她應該是。
I think if I have found my soul mate I would want to be with them all the time.
我想如果我找到自己的靈魂伴侶腾啥，我想一直和她在一起东涡。
But also you must be their soul mate. We always look at marriage in the point of view of what makes me happy but it takes two people to be married.
但是你自己必須是她的靈魂伴侶冯吓。我通常會考慮婚姻能不能讓我快樂，而忘了這是兩個人的事情软啼。
So you must find someone not only you want to be with but they actually want to be with you in the same way.
所以桑谍，你必須找一個你喜歡她，她也同樣喜歡你的祸挪。
It's very difficult. It's must be a two-way street. It's must be an equal partnership that you can both benefit and grow.
這很難锣披，它需要是雙行道，是一個平等的伴侶關系使雙方都能受益和成長贿条。
If it is meant to come and it will bring benefits then it will come. I don't worry about anything like that.
如此為雙方帶來增益雹仿，它就會到來，不用擔心整以。
I love the Chinese saying of "Be like water." and I have a tattoo of 水on my arm. When I heard about it I just smiled.
我喜歡中國的那句老話胧辽，從善如流（上善若水）當我聽到這句話時會心一笑，而我也紋了一個中國的水字在手臂上公黑。
Because that's how I think I live my life. I will flow with and life will take me.
因為邑商，這也是我的認為的人生，我將順應人生的起伏凡蚜。
I am not smart enough to know where I am supposed to be or supposed to be doing like most of people are.
我不是很聰明人断，知道如何做什么或是怎么做招人喜歡。
But I very trust and believe in the universe and the path I'm on and what I'm doing.
我非常信任宇宙和自己的道路朝蜘。
How do I know it's right? My spirit tells me and I just feel that it is right. It just feels natural in good way.
如何知道這是對的恶迈？我的靈魂感知并告訴我的，這是自然的直覺谱醇。
Not easy but I just feel it is what I'm meant to do. So it's the same thing like if someone comes and I get married, I will still have to be able to do what I am doing.
不容易暇仲，我只是直覺的知道自己該做什么。同樣的副渴，如果我結婚奈附，我還是要做我該做的事情。
If it comes, it is meant to come, the water will flow in that direction. If it doesn't come, that means it was not going to be suitable to help me in my working.
它來煮剧，意味著合適桅狠，會帶我走入那個方向。它不來轿秧，意味著這些于我的工作無益。
Yoga is all about getting you the directions. Like I see this spiritual path as my purpose in life that's what I should try to stay focus on.
瑜伽引領我走入那個方向咨堤，就像靈性指引我前行一樣菇篡，我所要做的就是專注于此。
Anything that takes me away from this is a distraction. And I should try to limit the distractions in my life.
任何讓我分心的事情一喘，我都必須小心驱还。
You have to live life and be part of life but try to live with focus on this spiritual path this yoga path.
你可以自由的過一生嗜暴，但是試著專注于靈魂之路，這也是瑜伽之路议蟆。
簡介
Swami Mantramurti is an initiated Swami in the Dashnami tradition of Indian Sannyasa. Mantra has more than 15 years training, practice and experience in teaching these practices and caring for the needs of students who wish to learn and benefit from them. He has been teaching these practices to Chinese students in many different parts of China over the past 6 years. He is currently a full time professional teacher for Le Yoga.
斯瓦米.曼德拉穆提是印度Sannyasa 瑜伽學派Dashnami傳統(tǒng)有授課資質認證的學者闷沥。斯瓦米.曼德拉穆提擁有超過15年的練習、培訓及教學經驗咐容，他能夠因材施教舆逃。在過去的6年中，他曾在中國許多不同地區(qū)把這些知識教授給中國學生戳粒。目前他是樂瑜伽的全職專業(yè)老師路狮。
Namaste.
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