2021年1月9日厉碟，和音新語.NVC會(huì)客室安排了一場(chǎng)與呂靖安老師的大弟子——艾倫的對(duì)話寨腔。

艾倫?拉斐爾?賽德(Alan Rafael Seid)是一名突破性教練毙替，指導(dǎo)那些想要改善自己，也想讓世界變得更好的人。艾倫專門研究工具舆床、過程和方法，讓我們與自己嫁佳、與他人挨队、與地球和諧相處。

1995年蒿往，他開始與馬歇爾?盧森堡博士學(xué)習(xí)NVC盛垦。他每年多次跟隨盧森堡博士和其他認(rèn)證培訓(xùn)師學(xué)習(xí)，直到1999年他參加了印度理工學(xué)院(IIT)的9天強(qiáng)化課程——同年，CNVC執(zhí)行董事加里?巴蘭建議他考慮獲得認(rèn)證。同年纯续，艾倫飛往南美洲的哥倫比亞，擔(dān)任盧森堡博士的西班牙語翻譯蝶俱。艾倫在2003年完成了NVC認(rèn)證。他的NVC學(xué)習(xí)一直持續(xù)到今天饥漫。自從獲得認(rèn)證以來榨呆，已經(jīng)與無數(shù)個(gè)人、夫婦和家庭合作庸队，并在政府积蜻、學(xué)術(shù)、非營(yíng)利和商業(yè)部門進(jìn)行培訓(xùn)彻消、引導(dǎo)和調(diào)解會(huì)議竿拆。曾受邀在聯(lián)合國(guó)2019年“實(shí)現(xiàn)可持續(xù)發(fā)展目標(biāo)”大會(huì)上發(fā)言。他的認(rèn)證評(píng)估師是呂靖安（Lucy Leu）宾尚。

下面是對(duì)這場(chǎng)對(duì)話的整理丙笋。

主持人：

Alan,在我前面的預(yù)告里邊有大概介紹過他一點(diǎn)，我覺得他跟其他的培訓(xùn)師是都非常的不一樣央勒，因?yàn)樗雌饋砗苣贻p。而且你看他的造型非常的百變澳化，還有我看到他整合了一套卡拉帕的這樣的一個(gè)體系崔步，幫助一個(gè)人全方位的去活出自己的生命，去全方位的做個(gè)人的成長(zhǎng)缎谷。然后通過個(gè)人的成長(zhǎng)給這個(gè)世界去帶去積極的影響井濒，不管這個(gè)世界是我們周圍身邊的世界灶似，還是說整個(gè)的世界，這個(gè)卡拉卡它是一個(gè)梵語瑞你，它的英文的對(duì)應(yīng)的本意是一捆一包酪惭，那也就是說是一個(gè)打包在一起的，一個(gè)完整的體系者甲，所以它包括一些過程春感、工具、方法虏缸、模式等等這些東西鲫懒，我也想給大家稍微看一下。

卡拉卡模型刽辙，我也想請(qǐng)艾倫跟我們介紹一下窥岩，他是怎樣發(fā)展出來的，而且我還好奇的為什么是這幾個(gè)宰缤，而不是別的颂翼？

比如在北邊是意識(shí)的整合，然后在東北是整合個(gè)人的練習(xí)和實(shí)踐慨灭，東部是非暴力溝通朦乏，東南是生活方式的設(shè)計(jì)、愿景表現(xiàn)形式缘挑，南部是財(cái)務(wù)集歇、正直和 ikigai。我到現(xiàn)在也不知道ikigai是什么语淘，我需要跟他問一下诲宇。西南是自然意識(shí)和耕種，好像跟農(nóng)作是有關(guān)的惶翻，但具體是不是也不太確定姑蓝。西方是社區(qū)和我們的社群，西北是我們的痛苦悲傷的部分吕粗，還有跟祖先去療愈的部分纺荧。

我想先暫時(shí)的介紹在這里，然后我們就把時(shí)間就放在接下來跟Alan的對(duì)話上颅筋。

首先很感恩Alan能夠答應(yīng)我的邀請(qǐng)來到這里跟大家見面宙暇。然后我請(qǐng)Alan先跟大家打個(gè)招呼，然后請(qǐng)他來說一說议泵，他為什么會(huì)答應(yīng)我的邀請(qǐng)來到這里能滿足他什么需要占贫。

Alan:

在這里先跟新老朋友們打個(gè)招呼，然后也謝謝Sam和 Lisa邀請(qǐng)先口。我來到這里型奥。

我感到非常的幸運(yùn)瞳收，因?yàn)槲以?6歲的時(shí)候就已經(jīng)發(fā)現(xiàn)了我的生命目標(biāo)。

大家聽到Summer剛才在介紹的時(shí)候有提到過幾次卡拉帕這個(gè)詞厢汹，卡拉帕這個(gè)體系是Alan從1987年就開始在發(fā)展了螟深。

這個(gè)工作是從我對(duì)我所學(xué)的或者說一些東西的理解發(fā)展而來的。

我的理解是烫葬，從恐龍時(shí)代開始界弧，我們整個(gè)地球上或者星球上的這些生命正在經(jīng)歷一些巨大的物種變革的時(shí)代。

整個(gè)大自然它并不僅僅是一個(gè)讓我們?nèi)ゾ鹑≠Y源地方厘灼，或者是讓我們?nèi)A瀉污染它的一個(gè)地方夹纫。

這個(gè)星球給我們提供了干凈的水，空氣设凹，還有肥沃的土壤讓我們?nèi)シN植植物舰讹。

Way human society is structured is destroying are very own life support systems.

我們?nèi)祟惖哪壳暗慕Y(jié)構(gòu)，其實(shí)從某種程度上來講是毀滅星球闪朱。

The question I started with when I was 16 in 1987 was.

所以在1997年月匣，也就是當(dāng)我16歲的時(shí)候，發(fā)展出來了這樣的一個(gè)問題奋姿。

The question I started with was what are the most effective or the most powerful tools, processes, methodologies for living in harmony within ourselves, with each other and with planet earth.

我在那時(shí)所提出來的最有力量的問題锄开，就是我們可以做一些什么，或者說用什么樣的一些工具方法称诗，一些生活方式萍悴，讓我們可以和諧的跟一切共處或者在一起生活，比如說我們內(nèi)在的和諧寓免，人際關(guān)系的和諧癣诱，包括和整個(gè)地球的一種和諧，

Nonviolent communication is one of those tools.

非暴力溝通就是去創(chuàng)造各個(gè)層面的和諧的一個(gè)工具袜香。

I met doctor Marshall Rosenberg began studying nonviolent communication in 1995.

我在1995年遇到了馬歇爾盧森堡博士撕予，也是從那個(gè)時(shí)候開始跟他學(xué)習(xí)非暴力溝通。

I've been doing nvc work for some time.

所以 NvC的領(lǐng)域到現(xiàn)在為止蜈首，我已經(jīng)經(jīng)過了這么長(zhǎng)的一段時(shí)間了实抡，一直在這個(gè)領(lǐng)域里。

And Very grateful for summer and lease us invitation because it meets my needs for contribution.

然后非常感激麗薩和夏天的邀請(qǐng)欢策，因?yàn)檫@滿足了我貢獻(xiàn)的需要吆寨。

Next question.

主持人：

謝謝你Alan。 I do have a question踩寇。 I'm curious that what is your life purpose啄清？ How do you find it at such a young age？What kind of because I'm an educator姑荷。So what kind of support you get from your parents or teachers so help you to find your life purpose盒延？我又有一個(gè)問題出現(xiàn)了，因?yàn)閯偛盼铱碅lan說他16歲的時(shí)候就找到了他的生命目標(biāo)鼠冕，所以我好奇的就是他怎么可以在那么年輕的時(shí)候添寺，就16歲的時(shí)候就可以找到他的生命目標(biāo)。他周圍的人懈费，比如說他的父母计露，他的這個(gè)老師是怎么幫助他，去找到他的生命目標(biāo)的憎乙？

Alan:

I heard two questions. One, what is my life purpose? and two,How did I find it? I'll answer the first question first. Do you want to translate that part?

我聽到兩個(gè)問題票罐，一個(gè)是什么是他的生命目標(biāo)，第二個(gè)問題是他在找到生命目標(biāo)的時(shí)候得到了什么樣的支持泞边？

I can article eight my life purpose in different ways.

我可以用不同的方式來表述我的生命目標(biāo)该押。

But essentially there's something happening. I'm planning earth. There are two movements. They're happening across the planet. I think they're unstoppable.

在不同的表述里邊，我認(rèn)為說它的核心就在于地球?qū)嶋H它在發(fā)生這兩種無法停下來的運(yùn)動(dòng)阵谚。

One of those movements, I call the consciousness revolution.

一種叫做意識(shí)覺醒蚕礼。

And the other movement I call the ecological sustainability revolution.

另外一種我把它叫做是生態(tài)可持續(xù)發(fā)展的運(yùn)動(dòng)。

How to live in harmony with nature.

如何與自然和諧的相處梢什。

I see my life purpose as contributing to the expansion and the speeding up of these two movements.

我的生命目標(biāo)就是幫助去擴(kuò)展和加速這兩個(gè)運(yùn)動(dòng)奠蹬。

The consciousness revolution is about waking up.

覺醒就是從字面意思上來講，就讓我們醒過來嗡午，清醒囤躁。

It's about living with integrity. And love. And how to be a service,How to develop the parts of yourself to live your potential.

也就是說我們帶著愛,內(nèi)外一致的去生活。如何以一種服務(wù)的態(tài)度荔睹，一個(gè)服務(wù)的方式狸演，去發(fā)展我們每個(gè)人身上不同的部分，去活出我們所有的潛能应媚，

And the ecological sustainability revolution recognizes that our society is unsustainable.

生態(tài)可持續(xù)發(fā)展的革命严沥，他認(rèn)識(shí)到我們的社會(huì)是一個(gè)不那么可持續(xù)的一個(gè)過程，去認(rèn)識(shí)他中姜，然后在這個(gè)方面做一些事情消玄。

So that answer is the first question, I think.

所以我想到現(xiàn)在為止，我已經(jīng)回答了第一個(gè)問題丢胚，

Would you like me to answer the second question?

I think that answers the first question.

現(xiàn)在我可以到第二個(gè)問題了嗎翩瓜？

I have about nine books in my head.

我的腦袋里有9本書。

I have two written in rock draft.

還有兩本我是把它用手寫了下來携龟。

Of the two i've written 150 book and the other is a much more personal book that tells some of my story.

我寫的這兩本書里邊一本是關(guān)于非暴力溝通的兔跌，另外一本它是一個(gè)關(guān)于個(gè)人的發(fā)展的，也就是說我寫下了我自己的故事峡蟋。

And the title of this book is my great grandfather escaped prison dressed as a woman.

那本書名字還是叫做我的曾祖父坟桅，扮成了一個(gè)女士华望，逃離了監(jiān)獄。

In the late 1800s, he was living in the village in you cream.

在18歲的時(shí)候仅乓，在那個(gè)年代他是住在烏克蘭赖舟。

And the stars army was recruiting all the young men to join the Russian Japanese war.

在那個(gè)時(shí)候所有的年輕人都被招募去部隊(duì)里打俄國(guó)和日本的戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)。

He said, I will not raise a gun against another human being.

他說我不會(huì)朝著另外一個(gè)人類去開槍夸楣，

I have II I was born into these lineages of change makers, people who want to make a positive difference on both sides of my family.

所以我就是在這樣的一個(gè)積極的這個(gè)氛圍里邊去宾抓，想要給社會(huì)或者世界帶來積極改變的這樣的一個(gè)家庭里長(zhǎng)大的。也許我們的這個(gè)方式是不一樣的豫喧。

I was born in the United States, but I grew up in Mexico.

我是在美國(guó)出生的石洗，但是我是在墨西哥長(zhǎng)大的。 My mother Was born in Mexico and my father was from the United States.

我的母親是墨西哥人紧显，我的父親是美國(guó)人讲衫。

I Always grew up bilingual BAE cultural and always have both nationality zw.

所以我是在兩種文化兩種語言體系下長(zhǎng)大的，而且我也有兩國(guó)的國(guó)籍孵班。

So from a very young age, I was an insider of two culture cz, but I was also an outside of two culture cz.

所以在兩種文化里焦人，好像我既屬于這兩種文化，同時(shí)也是游離在兩種文化之外的重父。

This from a very young age allowed me to have a mental flexibility to take different perspectives.

所以這樣的背景就讓我從很小的開始花椭，就有這樣的一個(gè)意識(shí)和這樣的一個(gè)大腦的功能，然后就很靈活的用各種不同的觀點(diǎn)看待問題房午。

My mother would say to me, Alan, before you're American and before your Mexican, you're human being, you're a citizen of the world.

我的媽媽常常跟我說矿辽，在你是美國(guó)人是墨西哥人之前，你是一個(gè)人類郭厌，你是一個(gè)世界公民袋倔。

She would say things to me like Alan, all the problems in the world are inter connected and inter related.

他跟我說，Alan這個(gè)世界上所有的問題都是相互有關(guān)聯(lián)的折柠，都是相互連接的宾娜，相互依存的。

Pollution of the oceans扇售、 Climate change.? Species extinction前塔、Sexism、 Reece system承冰、 Mistreatment of animals华弓、Deforestation 、Poverty and homelessness

比如說海洋的污染困乒、氣候變化寂屏、生物的滅絕、還有性別和種族、虐待動(dòng)物迁霎、森林被砍伐吱抚，還有那些貧窮無家可歸的這樣的事情。

All of these problems are inter connected and inter related.

所有這些問題都是相互有關(guān)聯(lián)考廉，相互有關(guān)系的频伤。

You can work at work cause or you can work on the symptoms.

所以你可以成為這樣的一個(gè)相互關(guān)聯(lián)的事情里的一個(gè)原因，你的行為導(dǎo)致了這樣一個(gè)事情芝此，或者說你也成為了這樣的事情發(fā)生以后的一個(gè)犧牲品。

But you'll be more effective if you work on root cost.

但是如果說我們能夠在根源上因痛，或者如果我們能作為在他導(dǎo)致這樣的一些事情的根源婚苹，這樣的角色去行為的話，我們的行為可能會(huì)更加的有效鸵膏。

These are the kinds of things my mother would say to me.

這些就是我媽媽常常跟我說的事情膊升。

These were some of the support I had for being open.

所以這就是我心態(tài)開放所能夠得到的一些資源和支持。

When I understood what humans are doing collectively to our very own life support systems. I allow that Information to come in. It was very painful. But it let me to make this decision of wanting to contribute on these friends.

當(dāng)我知道我們?nèi)祟愒谝黄鹣嗷ミB接谭企，相互的依存廓译，然后去支持到一個(gè)人去成長(zhǎng)和發(fā)展，我就會(huì)讓這樣的信息進(jìn)入到我的腦海里债查。這很痛苦非区。然后這就讓我做出了一個(gè)決定，我希望會(huì)去給這個(gè)世界給別人去做貢獻(xiàn)盹廷。

Does that answer the second question征绸？我有回應(yīng)到第二個(gè)問題嗎？

主持人：

I do think and beyond my question俄占。我覺得是回答到了我的問題管怠，而且是遠(yuǎn)遠(yuǎn)超出了我的問題的范圍。 I feel so touched when you share your what's your mother said to you缸榄？ As a mother of three children渤弛？I hope I can do something like your mother that to share this kind of Information with my children to that realize the interconnection and interrelated relationship in this world。

Yes甚带。我非常的觸動(dòng)她肯，然后Alan的媽媽會(huì)在他小的時(shí)候就給他傳遞了那樣的一些信息，因?yàn)槲易约阂彩侨齻€(gè)孩子的媽媽鹰贵，所以我也希望說我的孩子能夠聽到這樣的一些信息辕宏，知道這個(gè)世界是怎么樣相互依存的，可能一個(gè)人的成長(zhǎng)真的是舉宇宙之力砾莱，然后成就了一個(gè)人瑞筐。

謝謝您。

好，還有我有一個(gè)好奇聚假，就是說你在16歲找到你的生命的目標(biāo)块蚌，有兩個(gè)核心是意識(shí)的覺醒與生態(tài)可持續(xù)發(fā)展的運(yùn)動(dòng)。讓我好奇的是非暴力溝通在你的kalapa里膘格，它的意義是什么峭范？ 以及你為什么要把非暴力溝通放在你在kalapa里.

Just now you mention that there are two movements, consciousness, revolution, and ecological sustainability revolution. I'm wondering that what's the mean of NVC in your club program or system? What's wrong and they see place and why do you put it there? Yeah.

I like the question. I want to answer succinctly.

Alan:

我很喜歡這個(gè)問題，我想簡(jiǎn)潔的回應(yīng)一下瘪贱。

I started my search and 1987 to find best practices for living in harmony within ourselves纱控，with each other and with the planet。

我從1987年開始就開始了一系列的研究和探索菜秦，如何與自己甜害、與他人以及人與人之間，還有跟星球之間共處球昨。

8 years later when I met Marshall Rosenberg, I was not thinking NvC would be a primary tool or methodology.

直到我在1996年遇到馬歇爾的時(shí)候尔店，我剛遇到他的時(shí)候，也并不認(rèn)為說非暴力溝通將會(huì)是在我的生命目標(biāo)里扮演這么重要的一個(gè)角色主慰。

But as a modality, NVC had 1 piece of the puzzle that no other modalities had.

在有一些方面的非暴力溝通嚣州，它可能就像是一個(gè)拼貼畫里邊的一塊一樣，他有的那個(gè)東西是在其他的任何領(lǐng)域里面都沒有的共螺。

And It's very, very powerful for preventing and resolve conflict, PSL and having a high quality relationships.

它是一種非常有力量的工具该肴，可以去避免和化解沖突，去創(chuàng)造和諧的關(guān)系藐不。

Would you like to see the eight areas of the kilometer.

大家愿意再看一下哪8個(gè)方面嗎沙庐？

I can share it on the screen.

我也可以在屏幕上跟大家分享。

Is it showing let's see what's let's see. Here it is. What we have is something based on nature. It's the compass rose the directions.

kalapa模型是一種自然的模型佳吞，或者說它是以方位來命名的拱雏。

Every day, something every morning something happens in the east. The sun rises. Every day something happens in the west, the sun sets. We use the eight directions of the compass rose as a way of organizing these eight areas.

每天早上有些事情會(huì)從東方先開始發(fā)生。也就是說我們太陽會(huì)從東方升起底扳。每天太陽會(huì)從西方落下铸抑。我就用這個(gè)羅盤一樣的這個(gè)方位來命名不同的領(lǐng)域。

I put non violent communication in the east. There are seven more modules as well.

我把非暴力溝通放在了東方衷模，其他還有7個(gè)領(lǐng)域鹊汛。

主持人：

I have a second question。第二個(gè)問題是剛你提到你從1996年跟馬歇爾開始學(xué)習(xí)非暴力溝通阱冶，然后你也在2003年去擔(dān)任他西班牙的翻譯之后取得培訓(xùn)師的認(rèn)證刁憋，你可不可以跟我們分享一下你跟馬歇爾相處的一些小故事？

You mention that you matt Marshall in 1996. Are there any impressive stories between you and Marshall or something related you like to share?

Alan:

Yes. 1995, actually I met him. And. Ii attended it the international intensive trainings with Marshall in 1999. Right from the it flew to Colombia, South America to work as martial Spanish interpreter for 10 days.

是的我在1995年遇到她木蹬。 我1999年參加了他舉辦的一個(gè)國(guó)際非暴力溝通的強(qiáng)化營(yíng)至耻。這之后我就一起跟馬歇爾去了這個(gè)哥倫比亞就是南美的哥倫比亞，然后我在那里給他做了10天的西班牙語的翻譯。

I learned more about NvC in those 10 days than in the previous 4 years of studying NVC.

作為西班牙語的翻譯的角色尘颓，我在那10天里邊學(xué)到的東西要超過我在前面4年里學(xué)到的東西走触。

At the end of that 10 days, we were doing a harvest of our time together celebrate and morning cz.

在10天結(jié)束的時(shí)候，也就是在最后一天會(huì)有一些慶祝哀悼的結(jié)束的活動(dòng)疤苹。

And Marshall shared about a conversation he and I had that had been very painful for him.

馬先生在那個(gè)活動(dòng)里分享了一個(gè)我跟他之前的一個(gè)對(duì)話互广。這對(duì)話讓他很痛苦。

It was a conversation we had in the car when we were going somewhere.

對(duì)話是我們倆去某個(gè)地方的車上發(fā)生的卧土。

I used a lot more words than you. Then when You use a lot of words more than I used a lot more words and martial was enjoying.

我說的話遠(yuǎn)遠(yuǎn)超出了他喜歡的程度惫皱。

And That was not clear about my request. So After Marshall gave me the feedback. I listen to him with a lot of empathy, a lot of emppresence.

我也不清楚我的請(qǐng)求是什么。在馬先給了我反饋之后尤莺。我就是用同理傾聽的方式去聽他說旅敷。

After he shared with me, I asked him. Marshall, what advice do you have for me so that this doesn't happen again?

然后我就問他,馬歇爾你有什么建議嗎？這樣的話以后我能話少一點(diǎn)缝裁，然后請(qǐng)求也清晰一點(diǎn)，以后這種事情就不會(huì)發(fā)生了足绅。

He said the following.

然后他就說了下面這樣的話捷绑。

Before you open your mouth. Say it again before you open your mouth. Be clear on your present need and request. Before you even open your mouth knowing what you need and your request are。

在你張嘴之前氢妈，在你開口之前粹污，清晰你當(dāng)下的需要和你的請(qǐng)求。在你開口之前就要清晰你的需要和你的請(qǐng)求是什么首量。

I've been trying to live that ever since.

所以從此以后我就嘗試把這句話當(dāng)成了我的指引壮吩。

That's one story about Marshall.

這是馬歇爾的一個(gè)故事。

主持人：

因?yàn)槲覀冎滥愕脑u(píng)估是Lucy呂靖安老師加缘，我們很好奇的是鸭叙，你跟Lucy之間的學(xué)習(xí)過程中，有些什么故事可以跟我們分享嗎拣宏？

we know that your successor is Lucy lu. She attended this too, its we are wondering that are there any thing that you like to share about your process of being the trainer with her. How is your learning with her?

Alan:

I love Lucy. She is One of my heroes.

我愛靜安沈贝。她是我的一個(gè)英雄。

I'll share a couple of anecdotes about Lucy.

我來分享關(guān)于Lucy的幾個(gè)方面勋乾。

But I will say that Lucy teaches, by example, she lives in. That's how i've learned a lot.

Lucy是用身教的宋下。她是那樣生活的。她用她的生活來展示她的教學(xué)辑莫。

1 anecdote about Lucy was when I was invited to teach my very first introduction to NvC in 1998学歧。 I emailed her and I said, do you think I'm ready?

我記得是1998年我在第一次受邀去做一次非暴力溝通介紹的時(shí)候。 我給她發(fā)了一封信各吨，然后問她枝笨，你覺得我準(zhǔn)備好了嗎？我可以去分享了嗎？

She said. Yes, you're ready. Just remember to teach it as a consciousness instead of a technique.

她說是的伺帘，你準(zhǔn)備好了昭躺，要記得教nvc你教大家的是意識(shí)，而不是一個(gè)流程或者一個(gè)技能伪嫁。

Another story about Lucy.

關(guān)于Lucy的另外一個(gè)故事领炫。

When I did my assessment, we did it in her house in her living room.

我在做評(píng)估的時(shí)候，我是在她家里的客廳坐的张咳。

There were a few people there five or six different people observing and there to support.

我們有五六個(gè)人在現(xiàn)場(chǎng)支持帝洪、觀察。

They asked me questions about this part of NVC or that part of NVC.

他們問我nvc方面的各個(gè)方面脚猾。

I needed to demonstrate my understanding of key differentiation.

我需要去展示我對(duì)關(guān)鍵區(qū)分的一些理解葱峡。

But then Lucy said, Alan, I have a Challenge for you.

然后Lucy說，Alan我要挑戰(zhàn)你一下龙助。

She said, if you often in the assessments, we'll do a role play to test your skills.

她說我們常常在評(píng)估的時(shí)候砰奕，會(huì)做一個(gè)角色扮演，來挑戰(zhàn)你提鸟。

But today we're not doing a role play.

但是今天我們不做角色扮演军援。

Have a real person with real anger toward you.

我這里有一個(gè)真人，他是對(duì)你真的有火称勋。

She called in her husband at the time Peter.

他就把他的先生皮特叫過來胸哥。

Who is a big man? He was genuinely angry at me. I'm guessing I passed. That was a fun experience.

他長(zhǎng)得非常的壯。然后他是真的很對(duì)我很憤怒赡鲜。我猜我通過了考試空厌。那是一個(gè)很有趣的經(jīng)歷。

I at the time I was living at their house. My partner and I were living in an apartment above their garage. And Peter and I had a misunderstanding about some help you want it.

那時(shí)我在他家里住了一段時(shí)間银酬。我跟我的伴侶住在他們的車庫的上面嘲更。然后我跟皮特之間就鬧了一點(diǎn)誤會(huì)。

He had been angry for a few months. I didn't know. Until my assessment.

然后他就生氣了好幾個(gè)月揩瞪，但是我是完全不知道的哮内。直到我評(píng)估那天我才知道。

Any other questions?

還有其他的問題嗎壮韭？

主持人：

It surprised me and I guess it's a big Challenge北发。我很好奇的問題是就是在你關(guān)于道歉的分享里，視頻里你說勇氣不是沒有恐懼喷屋，勇氣是充分的感受恐懼并采取下一步行動(dòng)琳拨。

我好奇的就是在你評(píng)估時(shí)，當(dāng)你看到對(duì)方那么生氣時(shí)屯曹，你會(huì)不會(huì)有恐懼狱庇？然后當(dāng)時(shí)你是怎么跟你的恐懼相處惊畏，并且去采取你的下一步的 what is in your video clip of sharing for given issue said？Remember that courage is not the absence of fear密任。Courage is feeling fully afraid and then taking the next step颜启。So what my curious curiosity is that moment in your assessment，one Peter is so angry about you浪讳。How do you live with your anger and move forward to go through that process缰盏？

Alan:

I think I was more nervous than afraid.

我想在那個(gè)時(shí)候我是更多的是緊張，而不是恐懼淹遵。

NvC has three areas.

非暴力溝通有三個(gè)方面口猜。

Honesty, empathy and Self-connection.

有誠實(shí)表達(dá)，有同理傾聽透揣，也有自我連接济炎。

In that moment giving myself some self empathy.

所以在那個(gè)時(shí)候我就自我同理驰后。

In silence.

而且是在安靜地進(jìn)行自我同理成箫。

Which may have sounded something like I'm feeling very nervous and I hope I can create a better relationship with Peter and also passed my assessment.

我通過自我同理息裸，就像這樣一手握著心锹锰，一手意識(shí)的層面去把它想出來，把想表達(dá)的話說出來芽偏，我想跟皮特有一個(gè)好關(guān)系刺啦，同時(shí)能通過我的考試置谦。

So some self empathy and? I had enough practice with having courage in front of other people also.

我也做了很多的練習(xí)放坏，讓我能夠有勇氣站在大家面前咙咽。

Some of that came from doing a little bit of theater in high school. I saw that getting up in front of people is less scary.

其中的一部分對(duì)處理過程有幫助的是我記得在高中的時(shí)候我做一些戲劇老玛。在那個(gè)時(shí)候我就培養(yǎng)了一些勇氣淤年，所以說在評(píng)估的時(shí)候就站在人面前的時(shí)候，可能恐懼就會(huì)少一些蜡豹。

主持人：

So you mean practice makes people feel last year麸粮，right？

是不是練習(xí)就能讓人少恐懼一點(diǎn)镜廉？

Alan:

I don't know if it makes them feel less fear, but it might have made them increase their courage in the same in the for the same amount of here, I don't know.

不知道練習(xí)會(huì)不會(huì)人能讓人的恐懼變少弄诲，但是練習(xí)能夠讓人的勇氣增加，也許能跟恐懼增加到一樣的高度娇唯，一樣多齐遵。

After giving myself self empathy, then I could give Peter empathy.

我在可以自我同理以后，我就能夠把同理傾聽給到皮特了塔插。

After he was heard, he wanted to hear from me. I shared my honesty.

在他被傾聽到以后梗摇，他就愿意來傾聽我了，然后我就可以表達(dá)我自己想许。

Did I answer the question?

我有回應(yīng)到你的問題嗎伶授？

主持人：

是的断序，很好。

我看到Alan在聯(lián)合國(guó)發(fā)表了一個(gè)演說糜烹，我好奇的是你在聯(lián)合國(guó)演說的主題跟非暴力溝通之間有沒有什么關(guān)聯(lián)违诗？

I saw you had a speech or presentation in us sustainability conference last year in 2 or 19. Do you use a missing unit and what is the experience for you?

Alan:

At the United Nations. Iii presented an introduction to not by communication. It was fun to get invited to speak at the United Nations. The conference was about emotional Intelligence, mind, fullness, and NvC.

我在那里就是在介紹非暴力溝通。被邀請(qǐng)去聯(lián)合國(guó)發(fā)言還是很有樂趣的一個(gè)事情疮蹦。那個(gè)會(huì)議是關(guān)于情商關(guān)于正念還有非暴力溝通的诸迟。

And People like my talk a lot, it was very fulfilling.

大家很喜歡我的演講，然后印象很深刻挚币。

主持人：

I remember that in that speech亮蒋， I saw that speech， so but I cannot remember it clearly妆毕。Now you said at the beginning you said that people stretch their body and do some exercise and you said between your body and what is your mind慎玖？Something。 Could you repeat that again笛粘？ Order趁怔。 That is best me a lot。

I I what I mentioned to the audience is that mind and body are only separate in language.

我看到在聯(lián)合國(guó)的演講上薪前，艾倫在一開始的時(shí)候邀請(qǐng)大家活動(dòng)身體润努，現(xiàn)在大家也可以活動(dòng)活動(dòng)身體，然后在活動(dòng)身體的時(shí)候 Alan提到了一句話示括，那句話當(dāng)時(shí)特別的觸動(dòng)我铺浇，他說在我們的大腦和我們的身體之間產(chǎn)生分離的那個(gè)東西，就是我們的語言垛膝。我再重復(fù)一遍這句話,即：我們的語言讓我們的大腦和身體分開了鳍侣。

Alan:

And people wiggle their toes, move their toes. And then ask, do you feel ?that people said yes.

我讓人動(dòng)了動(dòng)腳趾頭，我問他們說你感覺到了嗎吼拥？他們說是的倚聚。

They said your mind is down there, because the brain is a physical organ but the mind goes beyond the brain .

然后我就跟他說你的思想就去到了那里。我們的腦袋是一個(gè)物理的器官凿可，就是這個(gè)人身體上的器官在這里惑折，但是我們的思想是不受腦袋的限制的，是可以去到任何地方的枯跑。

So you mean that is if we let me further proving the question. So you mean that if we can go beyond the language, our mind and body can be connected and integrated into a whole person. Is it?

Is it actually what I'm saying is your mind and your body are already integrated. But in language, we talk about them separately. They're only separated language. They're not separate in reality.

在現(xiàn)實(shí)的層面惨驶，我們的思想大腦和身體它本身就是整合的是一體的，但是當(dāng)我們用語言去表述的時(shí)候敛助，我們似乎是把這兩者做了一個(gè)區(qū)分粗卜，然后把我們的思想跟我們的整個(gè)人的整合給分開了。

As we learn and grow, we become more conscious.

當(dāng)我們學(xué)習(xí)成長(zhǎng)辜腺，我們就會(huì)對(duì)這個(gè)方面更有意識(shí)休建。

We can become more aware of our body or of our senses. They're already not separate.

我們可以漸漸更多的去覺知道我們的身體乍恐，我們的感覺，但是在現(xiàn)實(shí)的層面或者事實(shí)的層面测砂，他們是并沒有區(qū)分的茵烈。

主持人：

Thank you for this。And I'm wondering now it pulls me to another question that's uh砌些。 How we can develop ourselves and to where we develop ourselves to contribute to the world呜投。所以我就很自然的把我引向了好奇的下一個(gè)問題，就是說我們個(gè)人的成長(zhǎng)如何進(jìn)行存璃，然后我們要成長(zhǎng)到什么地方去仑荐，這樣我們就能夠去支持世界的發(fā)展，或者說去給這個(gè)世界做貢獻(xiàn)纵东？

Human consciousness, grows there I there's a summary of how human consciousness grows. Keep it down at the moment.

You mean consciousness grows in the following way.

對(duì)人的發(fā)展來講粘招，它是有一個(gè)過程的，是用這樣的一個(gè)方式來進(jìn)行發(fā)展的偎球。

We move from ego centric.我們首先是從這個(gè)小我為中心的角度開始往前發(fā)展洒扎。

We go from egocentric to ethnocentric only people who look like me

然后下一步就是發(fā)展到了只去接納跟我一樣的群體的這些人。

From ethnocentric to socioeconomic centric. So only people from my society or my culture. No.

然后說可能再往前發(fā)展的話衰絮，在我的社會(huì)里或者我的文化里的這些人我能夠接受袍冷。

To world centric. Everybody matters.

然后再發(fā)展到說我是從一個(gè)世界的角度，以世界為中心猫牡，在這樣的一個(gè)角度我能夠接受胡诗。

You're compassionate. Embrace grows from me to us, to all of us.

所以我們的慈悲就是這樣一步一步成長(zhǎng)出來的，從對(duì)自我的慈悲到對(duì)我們的慈悲淌友，但再到整個(gè)世界的慈悲煌恢。

There are also multiple intelligences.

同樣我們每個(gè)人都有不同的智能。

Schooling emphasizes cognitive, rational, mathematical Intelligence.

在學(xué)校我們學(xué)一些東西的時(shí)候亩进，它發(fā)展的是比如我們的認(rèn)知症虑，我們的邏輯等等這些方面的智能缩歪。

Many other intelligences that humans possess.

但是人類擁有的不只是這個(gè)方面的智能归薛，還有其他方面的。

For example, emotional Intelligence匪蝙、 Moral Intelligence主籍、Musical Intelligence、This petty Qin tele Gia nce in your body.

比如說情商逛球、美德的智能千元、音樂以及我們身體的智能運(yùn)動(dòng)智能

Not all children Three live in the cognitive mathematics, a little logical Intelligence.

所以對(duì)于孩子的發(fā)展來講，并不是說每個(gè)孩子都是通過這樣的認(rèn)知技能去成長(zhǎng)的颤绕，去讓他自己生命很繁榮的幸海。

We can look at our various intelligences and see where we're higher, where we're lower so that we can see which parts of us we need to grow.

所以從智能的角度來講祟身，我們也可以去看一下我們哪一個(gè)方面的智能是比較高的，哪一個(gè)方面的智能可能是需要去發(fā)展的物独。

Some of us might need to heal old or old trauma to bring that into the present, heal ourselves so that then we can keep growing and transforming because this thing that isn't healed kind of holds us back.

也許對(duì)有的人來說袜硫，可能是需要去療愈那些舊的痛苦或者創(chuàng)傷，然后讓那些東西療愈他們之后挡篓，我們就可以回到現(xiàn)在婉陷，然后去進(jìn)行變革，進(jìn)行轉(zhuǎn)化官研。因?yàn)槟切〇|西如果他一直在的話秽澳，可能會(huì)一遍一遍的把我們拽回到過去。

Kalapa actually gives us eight different areas in which we can grow our leadership capacities.

所以kalapa就提供了這樣一個(gè)完整方面戏羽，通過這8個(gè)方面担神，我們就可以去增長(zhǎng)我們的領(lǐng)導(dǎo)力的技能。

主持人：

I'm curious that for so many years of learning avc and living avc because we say living and we see but it looks to me it is a it's a value concept. And I'm afraid that sometimes if we use the phrase leaving nac it could be a box to put yourself in. I'm curious for you. How do you understand living NVC and how do you deal with it?

我們知道在nvc的溝通里始花，我們有一個(gè)詞叫做活出NvC杏瞻，這個(gè)活出NvC有時(shí)候可能對(duì)有一些人來講，它就好像是一個(gè)很模糊的概念衙荐，而且是就好像把nvc就變成了一個(gè)箱子或者一個(gè)盒子捞挥，就把人框住了。我好奇的是Alan這么多年在學(xué)習(xí)和實(shí)踐非暴力溝通忧吟，他是怎么來理解這一點(diǎn)的砌函，然后他是怎么來實(shí)現(xiàn)這一點(diǎn)的？

Alan:

Marshall Rosenberg said he was not perfect at NVC.

即使是非暴力溝通的創(chuàng)始人馬歇爾溜族，他也說他在非暴力溝通方面并不是完美的讹俊。

He would encourage all his students to be willing to take imperfect action.

他也去鼓勵(lì)他所有的學(xué)生有意愿去做一些不完美的行動(dòng)。

Living it means I'm doing my best to live in.

所以活出NvC的意思就是我盡力的去活出它煌抒。

because We need to understand that NvC is primarily the consciousness that I bring to my interaction actions.

所以我們首先要了解的是非暴力溝通它是一種意識(shí)仍劈，我們?cè)诟嘶?dòng)的過程中把這種意識(shí)帶進(jìn)去。

If I have the intention to create a high quality of connection. And from the quality of connection, we can find mutually beneficial outcome.

如果我是帶著這樣的去創(chuàng)造一種高品質(zhì)的連接意圖寡壮，去跟人互動(dòng)的話贩疙。在這種高品質(zhì)的連接基礎(chǔ)上，我們就可以去找到對(duì)雙方都有益處的結(jié)果或者目標(biāo)况既。

That might be one way of living in DC.

這可能是我活出NvC的一種方式这溅。

But maybe there's somebody I don't want to elaborate with.

也許我可能不想跟某些人合作。

I? notice all I'm in pain. Maybe I need some empathy.

然后我會(huì)意識(shí)到我很痛苦棒仍，可能那時(shí)我需要得到一些同理傾聽悲靴。

That also could be living in nvC.

那也可以被叫做是活出的nvc。

We have these three areas, honesty, empty and self connection.

我們把NvC用在三個(gè)方面莫其，同理傾聽自我癞尚，同理他人還有誠實(shí)表達(dá)。

When we become more skilled in nvc we can move easily between these three areas that we can move between honesty, between empathy and between self connection fluently.

當(dāng)我們的 NvC的技能很熟練的時(shí)候浇揩，我們就能夠很容易的在這三個(gè)方面去流動(dòng)临燃。

for me, you don't need to be perfect and then nvC to be living in DC.

對(duì)我來說,活出NvC并不代表著說一定是完美的睛驳。Let me see膜廊。

You have the intention and you do your best.

帶著連接的目的，盡可能的做到你能做到的最好爪瓜。

I do have one more question蹬跃。I don't know if you're waiting to answer the question。 I think it's last year蝶缀。 It's a personal thing翁都。I use a personal thing to ask the question谅猾。 I think last year that obviously I can see somebody cross my boundary like， let me do something that is not in my area坐搔。 For example概行，it is my workshop弧岳。But somebody asked me to write down another trainers name and contact in it缩筛。 It's a request瞎抛，but it looks like he's not open for the outcome却紧。 So I have the pain inside and I told him I I'm not willing to do that and then he told him， then he told me伤提， no matter what other people do认烁，you can still leave your value却嗡。So that creates a lot of pain inside of me舶沛。I don't know because my value is integrity窗价，honesty撼港，collaboration， leaving NvC those kind of things somebody asked me to do something already not in my in my comfortable thing or looks like cross some kind of boundary往毡。

I'm wondering that in that time卖擅，how do you live in the nac how do you balance惩阶？

我記得去年的時(shí)候扣汪，我就不說具體的事情.舉一個(gè)例子崭别，比如在我的工作坊上茅主，去寫上別人的名字和聯(lián)系方式诀姚，而且聽起來是一個(gè)請(qǐng)求，但是并不是一個(gè)對(duì)結(jié)果保持開放的一個(gè)請(qǐng)求呀打。我就跟他說我不愿意做這個(gè)事贬丛，這已經(jīng)超越了我的界限.但是因?yàn)槲矣趾芸粗剡@種誠實(shí)合作豺憔，想活出nvc，然后他也跟說不管別人做什么咪啡，你都可以去活出你的價(jià)值觀來撤摸。這時(shí)我內(nèi)在有很多的折磨和痛苦准夷。我不知道在那個(gè)時(shí)候怎么樣去平衡衫嵌，即既要遵從自己的價(jià)值觀彻秆，同時(shí)也要去照顧到別人的需要唇兑？

Alan:

It sounds like it was a very painful situation .I just want to remind all of us that nothing in nvc guarantees that 100% of our needs will be met 100% of the time.

所以聽起來這是一個(gè)很痛苦的狀況扎附。

我也想提醒一點(diǎn)留夜，非暴力溝通，它不可能百分百的去滿足我們百分百的需要鳖眼。

In a situation like that. We still have the three areas of ndc honesty, empathy and self connection.

在那個(gè)時(shí)候钦讳，我們依然還是有這三個(gè)方面的誠實(shí)表達(dá)蜂厅，同理傾聽掘猿，自我同理唇跨。

We still have the four options for how to interpret any message.

我們依然還可以有那4種方式去解讀別人买猖，給我們的或者回應(yīng)別人給我們的這些話玉控。

I judge them for asking.

比如說我評(píng)判他們這么來問我高诺，要求我虱而。

I judge myself for not wanting to.

我評(píng)判自己牡拇，我不愿意那么做。

I have compassion for why their request is hard for me. I have compassion for myself.

我也可以來對(duì)自己有一些慈悲导俘。我為什么不想那么做趟畏？

And then I might be able to have compassion for what needs they're trying to meet by asking for that strategy.

然后我也可以對(duì)他們有一些慈悲赋秀，他們?yōu)槭裁磿?huì)去那么問猎莲？

Even if I understand their needs, that doesn't mean it works for me to do it.

即使說我能夠了解到他的需要著洼，但是也不代表說我一定要去答應(yīng)那件事情身笤。

Empathy is not agreement.

同理傾聽不是“同意”不是一定要做到，

And also, we have3 ingredients to really become fluent and investing.

同樣我們還有三個(gè)配方可以讓我們?nèi)ミM(jìn)一步的練習(xí)和使用非暴力溝通瞻佛。

The first in greed Ian is interior Clare at.

第一個(gè)配方伤柄，我們要很清晰适刀。

What's happening for me? What am I feeling? What am I meeting? What am I wanting?

我這里發(fā)生了什么笔喉，我的需要是什么常挚？我的感受是什么待侵？

The second greed Ian is a community of support.

第二個(gè)就是社群的支持姨裸。

The third is practice.

第三個(gè)就是練習(xí)再練習(xí)傀缩。

Some the situation you described is one where if I were in that situation, I might want to turn to my community of support to get empty to get perspective. That can be very helpful to have your community of support.

在剛才我提到的情形中赡艰，如果是我的話慷垮，我也許會(huì)到社群中去尋找一些支持料身，得到一些傾聽芹血，然后聽聽大家的想法。

Sometimes all we're left with is morning.

有時(shí)候可能最后的結(jié)果是哀悼囊蓝。

We just acknowledge that something is hard there we have an unmet need.

我們就是去意識(shí)到或者承認(rèn)有一些需要是沒有得到滿足的聚霜。

We feel the sadness, the disappointment while staying connected to the meat.

我們依然可以跟未滿足的需要連接俯萎，然后跟自己的難過、跟自己的痛苦去相處辆憔。

Doctor Marshall Rosenberg used to call that life connected mourning.

馬歇爾曾經(jīng)把它叫做是與生命連接的哀悼虱咧。

主持人：

I feel the stone in my heart was thrown away now. And there are space in my heart now. Ii suddenly find out at that time when the other person said he is sad. One thing heard I didn't want to do that. I feel so guilty in my heart because that person is someone I really respect. Ii cannot be open to the needs of him not met. I feel so painful in my heart. Ii load all the burden in my heart. So thank you. It's really make me slow. Now your answers make me flow. Now I can acknowledge there's pain there are on that need. And morning for that.

It's fine腕巡。 Thank you so much绘沉。我發(fā)現(xiàn)心里的那塊石頭掉了豺总。因?yàn)樵谀莻€(gè)事情發(fā)生時(shí)喻喳，因?yàn)槲覍?duì)來問我那個(gè)問題的人是有很多的尊重在的表伦，所以當(dāng)他聽到我說我不愿意去放的時(shí)候蹦哼，他說他很難過翔怎，然后我就會(huì)覺得很內(nèi)疚，會(huì)覺得我沒有去滿足他的需要珊膜，我沒有去跟他一直那樣去保持一個(gè)連接车柠。

然后剛才Alan的回應(yīng)讓我知道,我是可以去哀悼竹祷，有一些需要是沒得到滿足的塑陵，我可以去放開一定要去滿足他的需要令花、讓他高興的執(zhí)念了兼都。

所以我覺得心里的石頭掉了扮碧，然后現(xiàn)在開始有流動(dòng)了杏糙。我覺得有一種特別釋然的感覺搔啊。Ii feel very relieved now负芋。Thank you旧蛾。It's very touching锨天。Thank you病袄。It's very powerful。 You heard me and我覺得我在剛才的過程中被深深的同理基公、理解到了I was understood by you轰豆。Deeply酸休。 Thank you so much斑司。

I love how we can be here for each other.

我喜歡這樣陡厘，我們能夠同在用這樣的一個(gè)方式同在剛才我看到有人在討論區(qū)說，他謝謝我是目，因?yàn)樗灿型瑯拥膯栴}，所以我不知道對(duì)提問的預(yù)定來說亡容，這個(gè)是不是你也有跟我一樣類似的體驗(yàn)茂缚，覺得被理解了屋谭，被同理到了桐磁，然后就在這短短的幾分鐘內(nèi)好像就大石頭就掉了衬以。他說是的看峻。謝謝您备籽。 I checked with her车猬。Does she feel the same that she was heard珠闰？She was understood伏嗜？ The stone was dropped承绸？She said军熏， yes荡澎。我們就這樣摩幔。Thank you so much或衡。 My question doesn't only contribute to myself薇宠，also contribute to? others as well椒涯。

我很高废岂，高興我的問題不光是對(duì)我自己做了貢獻(xiàn)湖苞，也能對(duì)別人有所貢獻(xiàn)财骨，謝謝大家隆箩。

Can I ask one more question? This is from the audience here she asked, how do you evaluate the outcome and effective this of the system you invented?

Alan:

kalapa is made up of processes and methodologies from other places. Each of these bodies of knowledge have their own management and assessment methods. For example, there is a whole body of research just on online communication. Scholarly academic PhD level research on the effectiveness of NVC. All the tools in kalapa have already been verified.

卡拉帕它是不同的方面不同領(lǐng)域的一個(gè)整合杨蛋。這8個(gè)方面它每1個(gè)體系都有它自己的1個(gè)評(píng)估逞力。比如說在非暴力溝通這個(gè)領(lǐng)域寇荧，就有跟他的完整的研究和評(píng)估砚亭。從學(xué)術(shù)的層面講，就是有一些博士什么的滚粟，他們已經(jīng)在評(píng)估nvc的有效性。所以卡拉帕的這8個(gè)方面都已經(jīng)被證實(shí)亚侠。

However, kalapa as a system is still fairly young. It's a very, very baby tree. Like that's make.

但作為一個(gè)系統(tǒng)來講硝烂，卡拉帕從整個(gè)歷史長(zhǎng)河中來講滞谢，他還是比較年幼的狮杨。 它是一棵小樹苗。

In the future, we may be able to develop ways to evaluate the effectiveness when it's different, tools and processes are combined the combined effect. We might be able to study that sometime in the future.

也許在未來不久橄教，我們會(huì)把原來是8個(gè)方面各自評(píng)估的清寇，把它整合在一起，變成一個(gè)有8個(gè)方向在一起的1個(gè)整體的評(píng)估护蝶，我們可以去做一些方面的評(píng)估颗管。

But I only drew from established systems. Galapa is based on established systems.

卡拉帕是建立在已有的系統(tǒng)或者已有的體系之上的，

Could you share with me滓走？One thing that people experience your club tell you how it's a it affect their life， what they learn from it搅方。我想請(qǐng)Alan給我們分享一個(gè)在學(xué)過卡拉帕的人或者經(jīng)歷過這個(gè)的人是如何影響到他們的生活的比吭。

Alan：

People report two things. Generally actually three,

通常學(xué)過卡拉帕的人會(huì)跟我來分享三個(gè)方面的事情。

One is generally people report feeling more connected to an interior sense of possibility in their lives. They're more clear about how to be of service or how to have a positive impact in the world.

那一個(gè)是人們會(huì)說他們會(huì)覺得生活里邊跟自己內(nèi)在的那種有了更大的可能性姨涡，有了更多的連接衩藤。 他們就更清晰怎么去服務(wù)，或者怎么去給這個(gè)世界帶來更大的影響涛漂。

The third thing is that the program tends to draw very high quality people. And so people talk about the community and the connections and the that's a big positive also for people.

還有這個(gè)項(xiàng)目本身它會(huì)吸引到來學(xué)的人都是素養(yǎng)非常高的一些人赏表，所以他們會(huì)談到在這個(gè)社群里面就覺得有很多的共鳴，很多的連接匈仗。

主持人：

can you share how we can contact you or how we can join you in kalapa maybe on the screen or for people to know where to find you lost瓢剿。

所以我請(qǐng)Alan跟我們來分享一下，怎么能夠找到他悠轩，怎么能夠更多的去了解它的卡拉帕的這些方面间狂，雖然是英文的，但是我們也期待后面跟能夠邀請(qǐng)到Alan跟到我們中國(guó)或者跟我們中國(guó)的社群或者來到這里的大家分享它的卡拉帕是什么火架？

大家可能發(fā)現(xiàn)我們今天的對(duì)話可能不只是在非暴力溝通的層面鉴象，雖然最后我問的問題給了我那么大的一個(gè)觸動(dòng)。

但是對(duì)我突然發(fā)現(xiàn)它是從一個(gè)更寬闊的視角在使用非暴力溝通何鸡，他帶著那8個(gè)方面纺弊，然后把8個(gè)方面放在了非暴力溝通這1個(gè)里邊來跟我們做了今天的這樣一個(gè)分享。

Like I said, galapa is very young. We don't even have a website yet.

就像我說的卡拉卡他很年輕骡男，我覺得Alan好謙虛淆游，因?yàn)樗目ɡ疗鋵?shí)已經(jīng)發(fā)展了好多年了，而且它的社群是很大的一個(gè)社群，他們剛剛結(jié)束了一個(gè)上千人的在線的互動(dòng)的活動(dòng)稽犁，但是他還這么說焰望，就小樹苗對(duì)。

Before I know it, we already been together more than 1.5 an hour now. Ii know it's your dinner time. Various. So before we finished anything you like to share to the audience here or to the Chinese embassy community and we hope we can have more interactions with you, invite you to do some Chinese or more sharing with us. So anything you like to say to us.

Alan:

I would just to wish everybody a wonderful day.

我希望大家今天度過美好的一天已亥。

Remember that you can never stop learning and growing. Learning and growing can happen for the whole rest of your life. And be gentle with yourself. That's all I have熊赖。

我們每個(gè)人不管是有意識(shí)還是無意識(shí)的，我們都是在成長(zhǎng)虑椎，都是在學(xué)習(xí).我們生命的剩下的時(shí)間每一個(gè)時(shí)間都是在成長(zhǎng)和學(xué)習(xí)震鹉。對(duì)自己溫和一點(diǎn)，溫柔一點(diǎn)捆姜。這就是我想說的传趾。

Thank you very much for inviting me to this conversation. I appreciate it.

謝謝，也感激大家的在這里.謝謝大家的邀請(qǐng)泥技。

主持人：

Thank you浆兰。And I really appreciate for your presence，your time and energy to be here珊豹。I'm looking forward to meeting you again very soon簸呈。Someone said the weather is very nice here。 I feel so sunny in my heart after I hear you're sharing店茶。

Looks like you're like the light in the sky to light everyone.Everyone's heart蜕便。

我覺得今天的感覺就好像是天空中的束光來點(diǎn)亮我們內(nèi)心的感覺，所以很輕松贩幻，也非常的非常的舒服轿腺，而且很有洞見，也很有深度的過程丛楚。對(duì)族壳，但是因?yàn)榇_實(shí)是時(shí)間有限，我們已經(jīng)說了快1一小時(shí)40分鐘了鸯檬，我也不忍心耽誤他太多時(shí)間决侈，大家晚安。