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Thomas O'Toole: Alright, as everyone doing. Okay, we have a good. This is, I think it's the first week where I have you twice.

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Thomas O'Toole: You can't escape, and only have, like the one the one holiday. So far right? Hope everyone's doing well. I understand you have a micro prelim next week.

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Thomas O'Toole: so maybe I'll bring in candy or something to give you that sugar rush to get through that.

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Thomas O'Toole: You also have your first directive memo with Simon due in this class tonight.

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Thomas O'Toole:? you know. So I didn't get many questions about it over the weekend, which means one of 2 things. Either everybody's on track

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Thomas O'Toole: or you're really overworking, Molly.

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Thomas O'Toole: Which is fine, that's what she's there for. But if you do have any questions. I mean, you know some of you that have contacted me by now know I'm pretty responsive. So don't be afraid. You know, contact me and and we'll we'll help you out. You know. No, no stress. It's the first time you've written something like this for me

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Thomas O'Toole: so you know.

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Thomas O'Toole: Don't don't worry about it. You're here to learn, so we'll see how things go. But again, I mean, if you're freaking out at 1145 tonight, or something like that. And you're just blanking out

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Thomas O'Toole: you know. Just write to me. Let me know what's going on, and and we'll help you out all right. Don't don't stress about it. Okay.

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Thomas O'Toole: all right. So we actually have a lot to cover today, because we're a little bit behind on the readings. Right? Which kind of happens

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Thomas O'Toole: the first couple of weeks. In this course. Because we get chatty. There's a lot of Exposition. We have to go through kind of setting the table. So I wanna get right into it. And I wanna start with Woodrow Wilson's article on the study of administration. This is actually a really believe it or not. This is actually a seminal article in the field of public administration right?

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Thomas O'Toole: despite all the critique of Wilson. It's one of those articles you just kinda have to read. It's part of the canon of the field. But all of that, you know all of the discussion we had

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Thomas O'Toole: around critiques of Wilson. Kind of the the racism that we've identified in his career. You kinda have to to to have that all in perspective when you read this, because I do think that there's a certain degree of exceptionalism that comes out in this article that's very consistent with our understanding of Wilson's career, and in his thought, in hindsight. So

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Thomas O'Toole: he starts this article on the study of administration with kind of a gripe. Right? So he starts by venting a frustration. Anyone recall what that gripe or that frustration was.

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Thomas O'Toole: yeah.

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Thomas O'Toole: monarchy. This is going on about us. It's harder to to organize

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Thomas O'Toole: like a.

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Thomas O'Toole: But democracy really is a monarchy and kind of like the British.

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Thomas O'Toole: Well, no, it's sort of like. So it's it's he's thinking about like, why have we thought about the subject of administration before?

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Thomas O'Toole: Right? So he started this article by raising this really curious facts. Yeah, good.

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Thomas O'Toole: He's turned the article by

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Thomas O'Toole: bank. Grant was the weapon of systemic study in the field of public administration, with all just like, based on interpretation. Looking at the analytical deep diving.

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Thomas O'Toole: Yeah, right? So so his gripe is really that we spend too much time thinking about that stuff right? We could spend too much time thinking about democracy versus monarchy right? And not enough time, you know, thinking about what we understand is the most obvious part of government, which is administration. Right? So he says, you know, there's this curious fact that all the study of politics, you know, began about 2,000 years earlier.

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Thomas O'Toole: It wasn't until the nineteenth century that administration which we he refers to, as quote the most obvious part, he literally says, it's the most obvious part of government. Right began to demand attention. So he writes.

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Thomas O'Toole: public administration is government in action right? And we talked about that before all those things that we take for granted on a daily basis. That's public administration in action. We're not conscious of it unless we really think about it right, but that's government in action, and one might very naturally expect to find that government in action had arrested the attention

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Thomas O'Toole: and provoke the scrutiny of writers of politics very early in the history of systematic thought. Right? Why doesn't anybody care about this stuff? Because it is the most obvious, the old, our most obvious engagement with government. Right? But that wasn't the case. Rather. Prior scholarship had focused on really abstract stuff like the constitution of government. Right?

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Thomas O'Toole: The nature of the state, the efference essence of sovereignty, monarchy versus democracy, all that kind of stuff, all that theoretical stuff that they look at over in the government department right? And they just while away on hammocks sort of banning about all day. So until Wilson, the study of politics was really the study of public law, and not necessarily the study of public administration. Right? So in this essay he's essentially arguing that the time had come to make

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Thomas O'Toole: the execution of government policy more businesslike. Right? That's kind of the the argument that he's laying out in this in this essay. So he says, the field of administration is a field of business. This is like one of the most famous quotes from this article, right. The field of administration is a field of business. It is removed from the hurry and strife of politics. Right?

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Thomas O'Toole: So this article really framed a debate which continues in the field of public administration to this day, and it's called the politics administration, dichotomy.

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Thomas O'Toole: right? Whether it's possible to develop an administrative state absent, the hurry and strife of politics right? So slowly other scholars began to gravitate around this perspective right, which was that government could essentially be divided into 2 functions, right? Political decision making and administrative execution. So from Wilson's perspective.

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Thomas O'Toole: Politics has to do with policies as execution of the State's will right, while administration has to do with the execution of those policies the implication, though. And here's where the exceptionalism come in right. The implication is that administration is not only different from politics, but somehow it's better

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Thomas O'Toole: right. Because certain scientific principles existed, and once these principles were discovered, right administrators would be experts in their work only if they applied those principles right now, what are some of the pros and cons of Wilson's argument? And you can think about this from either a normative or practical perspective, and you don't even have to have read Wilson's article to think about this? I mean intuitively.

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Thomas O'Toole: does that make sense right? This distinction between politics and administration?

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Thomas O'Toole: Can we apply scientific management principles to public administration, either the theory or practice of public administration in the way that we do to business administration. Right? That's what they're looking for in this. They're looking for scientific principles of the sort that we apply in business administration. And we're saying we can do that in the public sector. Right? So this is part of our fleshing out of what makes the practice of public administration distinct

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Thomas O'Toole: from the practice of business administration. So what are the pros and cons of Wilson's argument. And you can also think about this against the the perspective of accountability.

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Thomas O'Toole: All right, that we've discussed up until this point in the course I mean, or your professional or personal experience. Does this even make you know normative sense? I mean, should politics be distinguished? Or should it be completely divorced from administration? That's kind of the normative question, right? And then the technical question or the the question that revolves around practice is, can we do that? Can we actually do that?

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Thomas O'Toole: And again, I mean, you can think about this from the United States if you're from the United States or your own country, like, what are the intersections between politics and administration? And should those intersections be.

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Thomas O'Toole: you know, more steadfast, I guess, more more rigid?

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Thomas O'Toole: Yeah. Say, if I understood the politics. Aspect that we'll still talk about as more about

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Thomas O'Toole: appointment of like a specific individuals who are running. And that's the optics aspect of it. So

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Thomas O'Toole: I think, you know, moving on from that like a rotation code like that

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Thomas O'Toole: giving it to giving governmental opposition people that have contributed the most to that organization. I think that is ineffective because would be more beneficial than stepfast

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Thomas O'Toole: and expert and experts working on specific aspects of public administration.

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Thomas O'Toole: giving out positions to people who just sure. And we've discussed that before. Right? So the the influence of political appointees, and this tension that can exist between political appointees and career. Civil servants, right?

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Thomas O'Toole: Most Federal agencies in the United States have political appointees that are secretary, level, right? And so those appointees, they're they're a typical rotation in offices about 2 years. That's the amount of time these appointees spend as secretaries. Why? Because they're not making enough money. A lot of them are drawn from the from the private sector, and they just don't want to do it for that long right? And why are they were given those positions? They're usually rewarded those positions on the basis of supporting a campaign.

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Thomas O'Toole: Right? So you have that very fast rotation in office. And the consequences of which can be pretty disastrous. Right? So there is this notion that you know, if you separate politics and from from administration in the space of leadership, of agents, of appointing leaders, of agencies, you would have leadership, of agencies that have more experience and credibility in their fields. And the theory would be that they would be more effective leaders and managers. Right? That's that's kind of what we're getting at. Yeah, absolutely.

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Thomas O'Toole: Yeah. I think that practically be something very difficult to do. To, you know, up to this point we've always had it now, all of a sudden it's it would be a divorce. But I do see the buddy, and he's saying and many of the things that we see happening today specifically in this country, how it would be beneficial to sort of separate them, at least to a slight degree. Is, I feel that, you know, every time any President comes in it's and I can only imagine what it's like within each of these agencies

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Thomas O'Toole: to be there. And all of a sudden. Now, someone that's there, just because they donated, however, much money to someone's campaign, and they have no idea what they're talking about. And you've been doing this your entire life, and you're like, what the heck are you doing?

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Thomas O'Toole: So I could see both sides of it, and why it would be important to separate it. But then, also, practically how difficult it could be to actually move forward with that action.

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Thomas O'Toole: Yeah, that's exactly right. And again, we'll look at this case. Later on, in the course the interview with Al Zuck

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Thomas O'Toole: Al zuck was a career civil servant. That he has to grapple with a political appointee. I mentioned this case. Who wants him to execute a sole source contract for a colleague of his? No public sector experience, no experience. So this is at the Department of Labor. No experience and labor policy comes in like a freight train. And so there's this tension like, what does up. Do you know what I mean? Does he execute the contract? You know you've got the appointee that's threatening to fire him? So there's always these tensions. Right? Yeah.

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Thomas O'Toole: yeah. I think at the local level it's really difficult for the politics from the practice of administration.

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Thomas O'Toole: But at the same time

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Thomas O'Toole: kind of the political divide looks really different. At a local level. There is less of a

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Thomas O'Toole:? you know.

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Thomas O'Toole: separation, as we see at the national level. So it doesn't really cause the same level of like like change every time the administration comes in. But those global public administrators, they face public opinion, and.

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Thomas O'Toole: you know, falls into the daily basis of the job. and there would be no way. There's like no practical way to suffering that

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Thomas O'Toole:? in, like their day-to-day lives as members of the town that they all are administrators of. It's just a local politics is so embedded into the institution of local restrictions.

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Thomas O'Toole: It would require restructuring the entirety of it. And it probably bring in outside individuals to administrate these towns.

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Thomas O'Toole: yeah. And when we say politics right? We don't just mean the influence of elected officials. Right? Ii heard you're talking about nepotism right? Like, wh, what's the definition of nepotism versus clientelism. That's politics.

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Thomas O'Toole: right? That that kind of politics. Right? So it's not just kind of the influence of elected officials, which is what comes to mind and what we'll spend kind of, you know, a week or 2 thinking about. But it's also the influence of, you know, any stakeholders in the environment of a public administrator. Right? I mean, that's really what we're focused on this week is thinking about, who are the typical stakeholders in that force field of public administration. And

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Thomas O'Toole: what's their relative weight or their relative influence on something? Our organization is trying to do right? So it's not just. But another point you raise connects to this notion of, if we had this very stark separation of politics from administration.

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Thomas O'Toole: How would we? How would we sort of tether

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Thomas O'Toole: civil servants to the popular will like right? So so from a representative democracy perspective, we can see that you know one of the pros of the argument that there should be an influence of politics and administration is because civil servants have a great degree of discretionary authority in their work, and so tethering them to the electorate in that way is one way of ensuring that they are accountable to something other than themselves.

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Thomas O'Toole: So that's kind of like the the flip side of what Wilson is arguing right that maybe you want some degree of influence of politics on administration, because otherwise. what other means do you have to keep administrators accountable to the electorate. Yeah.

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Thomas O'Toole: elected officials or public administrators or stakeholders of their own environment. And it's less of the case at national level. We're often policies that elect officials or public administrators are carrying out less of the impact of them than daily lives at the local level. It does have different dynamics between this this.

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Thomas O'Toole: Oh, for sure. And I mean, you can see, you know, we we started at the course, talking about intersecting identities. Right? And so think about, you know, if if you're a member of a of a local legislature, and your boss comes to a a public meeting and sort of like starts haranguing on on some. You know, some local law that you're you're considering. I mean, that's obviously having an influence on your thinking and potentially on your actions.

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Thomas O'Toole: Right? So it's that kind of politics as well or the pastor, or your church, or whatever you know what I mean. So we're thinking about that kind of of politics or those kinds of politics. In addition to kind of the influence of elected officials. Right? Yeah. And I think one of the factors would like local politics that goes into like like, who is fit to have these positions, that many of these local positions that

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Thomas O'Toole: most people who live in the Taliban's town or state of county politics. Many of those positions are like.

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Thomas O'Toole: The populace is completely epithet. Like my local town adjudicator of deeds. Who cares who that is? Yeah, but it matters who it is. But most people, including me, I don't really care who does that job. And most of the time people done that job for 20 years because they run almost on imposed every time you know where it's the same family. It's almost like a generational thing, right? Where that same family kind of assumes the same sessions through generations. Right? Yeah.

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Thomas O'Toole: Somebody. Yeah. Midlands.

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Thomas O'Toole: I think it's kind of an interesting argument, on the one hand, make things more efficient and more specialized by separating all things local, arguing

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Thomas O'Toole: particularly focus more on the job and the American Utopian dream on the meritocracy. But.

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Thomas O'Toole: like what you see now is the Flip side where you create this whole cultural method, like everybody's talking about the same family. Doctor, you're you're taking me

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Thomas O'Toole: ironically. Democratic aspect of making power with people. What do you want? Which would be great?

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Thomas O'Toole: Yeah, you're essentially I mean so. But you have to be careful because you're almost. You're just about to fall into the trap right? Because what we're essentially what he's essentially arguing is that we want to reduce public administration to a technocratic enterprise.

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Thomas O'Toole: And so what are the consequences of that reductionism? That's kind of what doll's getting at in his essay. Right? You really? Yeah. Oh, I was just going to mention the like

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Thomas O'Toole: different questions that he raised like, what questions do public administrators answer. What questions do like the Constitution like, what is the like? The will enacted on both sides? Why, the separation was important, and then I've like kind of thought about the way you brought in nepotism, and how individual connected them from like

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Thomas O'Toole: the American dream of a meritocracy versus like we were saying, what stops you from just hiring your associates associate, associate to run all of these like small into like small, like

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Thomas O'Toole: seemingly meaningless point. Yeah, in like public administration until you have something like Fema. How you yeah seen the disaster that came through from someone not watching and like enacting that systemic like.

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Thomas O'Toole: you know, will of power through a public administrative. Yeah, you're spot on. And one of the really interesting things to think about like if you haven't read like, if you haven't read the Constitution in a while like even I don't think you as a lot of us citizens, I don't think. Read the Constitution all the way through, or they read the Bill of Rights cause. That's the that's like the really, you know that that's the stuff that that has generated the most controversy right? The most Supreme Court cases, most of these miles these landmark cases. We look at the Bill of Rights, but nobody ever looks at

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Thomas O'Toole: the articles right cause. That's just boring

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Thomas O'Toole: like, who wants to like? Then do all this stuff right. But like, if you think back to your reading of the Constitution or those of you from other countries. Think about your own constitutions right? Where in the Constitution is public administration discuss.

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Thomas O'Toole: But it's not really part of the constitution, constitution about principles, values like very general like.

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Thomas O'Toole: it always seems different. Yeah. So so public administration is actually never explicitly discussed in the Constitution.

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Thomas O'Toole: A lot of what we know as public administration was. Really, you can look at kind of the architecture of the Constitution and extrapolate a couple different things. Right? So, for example, Federalism.

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Thomas O'Toole: that's one of the bedrock principles of United the United States intergovernmental system. Right? United States is a federal system of government, meaning that there are specific powers that are distributed across the federal, State and local government.

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Thomas O'Toole: Where is the term Federalism ever explicitly discussed in the Constitution?

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Thomas O'Toole: It's so easy to do a word. Search now, right like you could bring the term. Federalism is never mentioned a single time in the Constitution, but it is like this bedrock principle that defines how our entire system of government functions. Right? Even though it's not mentioned.

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Thomas O'Toole: they were extrapolating certain principles of Federalism from the language of the Constitution, right from the architecture of the Constitution. Okay. Now, why wouldn't they sort of flesh out? You're right. It's it's sort of like this statement of higher principles. But another reason why they didn't flesh out public administrations because they didn't think it was that important.

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Thomas O'Toole: Not only did they think it was not that important, but they thought that fools could do it.

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Thomas O'Toole: So they didn't even think about sort of meritocracy, or anything like that, because when it came to them that you know, maybe we shouldn't be using a spoil system to point people to to civil service positions. They were like, well, what does it matter, anyway? Because any fool could do this work? I mean, it's government.

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Thomas O'Toole: right? It's all that hard right. But over time, as as politics and society and the economy evolve.

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Thomas O'Toole: They had to take it seriously. They had to think about, and obviously the spoil system evolved into, you know, a really destructive right, a catastrophically destructive system where you had, you know, fraud, waste, abuse, negligence? They had to do something about it, but when the Constitution was founded they didn't really think much about it, because it didn't really matter to them. They thought anybody could do this kind of work

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Thomas O'Toole: right. I think you feel good that you're here like doing work. Anybody could do right back. So you know, as I mentioned last week, you know, and we can think about this from a normative or practical perspective. It was only recently kind of the

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Thomas O'Toole: the racist legacy of Wilson has been brought into the foreground. It was never a secret right? So he segregated the Federal Civil Service. That was very well documented. His treatment of black civil rights leaders. Right? So William Monroe Trotter in particular, whom he threw out of the Oval office. During a particularly contentious meeting that you had in 1914, Trotter had actually originally been a supporter of Wilson's, because Wilson had in a very performative way.

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Thomas O'Toole: I'm committed to improving civil rights, but, as we all know, Jim Crow just worsened over the course of his administration.

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Thomas O'Toole: But if you think about the scientific management movement that revolved around Wilson's work, and that kind of pervades the thinking in this article. You can see how someone who is a racist would find this particularly appealing

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Thomas O'Toole: right? Dehumanizing administration.

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Thomas O'Toole: So if you think back to that mini lecture I had online on scientific management. It was a period where management, scholarship and practice was really heavily influenced by

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Thomas O'Toole: the very nascent field of industrial engineering at the time. Right? So Frederick Wilson Taylor. Right? Taylorism, and it's load shovels. Right? Ford ism right. The assembly line reducing public administration to a technocratic enterprise. Right? So here's a quote from Taylor, just to show you how how great a guy he was.

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Thomas O'Toole: Now one of the very first requirements for a man who is fit to handle pig iron as a regular occupation is that he shall be so stupid and phlegmatic that he more nearly resembles in his mental makeup the ox than any other type. The man who is mentally alert and intelligent is for this very reason entirely unsuited to that would for him be the grinding monotony of work. Of this character, therefore, the workman who is best suited to handling pig iron is unable to understand the real science of doing this class of work.

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Thomas O'Toole: Nice guy, right? But that's what they had in mind, sort of dehumanizing all of these administrative processes. Right?

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Thomas O'Toole: So this was the main critique of this very rational approach suggested by scientific management and those that wanted to apply scientific management principles to a field like public administration. Right? It served to dehumanizing work, dehumanizing the other right. Is an inevitable aspect of the kind of administrative evil and racism that we looked at in those 2 articles we had to read. Was it last week or the week?

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Thomas O'Toole: I think it was the week prior right? But a lot, you know. Many Pr scholars and practitioners found Wilson's argument really appealing. Right? So if our objective again, some of you raise this point is to develop a bureaucracy that's neutral and objective in its work.

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Thomas O'Toole: Then, separating politics from administration would seem really integral to achieving that kind of neutrality. Right? So the question is whether Wilson's argument is a normative or a practical one. Is it possible? Is it even possible to separate politics from administration? If so how would you go about doing it? I mean, there are practices we can think of that. Try to separate politics and administration as much as we can but those of you from other countries. What is this intercept? What is this intersection of politics and administration look like?

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Thomas O'Toole: What is the influence like? You know, we've talked a lot about. You know how this works in the United States, but those of you from other countries. What are the practices that are in place in trying to, you know, develop a sense of political neutrality. In civil service.

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Thomas O'Toole: yeah. And you can see, I mean, it's so. It's not across the board where political appointments are always, you know, catastrophic, right? I mean, they do bring a certain level of leadership and management acumen into the agencies. Their appointments ahead. Right? So you know they're usually coming from the private sector that got a lot of corporate experience which give them background and developing public private partnerships.

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Thomas O'Toole: They understand at least the values of profit oriented enterprise. They understand the value of efficiency, right? Which is, it's a problem in public administration, right? That's pretty obvious.

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Thomas O'Toole: Right? So some of the strongest critiques of Wilson, and waivers scientific management and rational bureaucratic concepts generally. Came from scholars like Doll. Right? So what's the central critique that doll is raising against this rigid application of scientific management principles in public administration. Right? So he's actually attacking this for both a normative and a practical perspective. Right? So what are the what are the gripes that he's raising them?

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Thomas O'Toole: the that values behavior and culture. We're like a big prohibitor for establishing like a universal set of standards. Public administration will of the public. Yeah. Say so, spot on. And I'm going to be even more blunt about it. Right? So he he doesn't really mince words right? So he's saying, public administration is too messy

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Thomas O'Toole: right for this rigid application of scientific management principles. And why is it messy? Because, as a field that's obligated to incorporate human behavior to a much greater extent than business administration? Right? Humans are not load shovels right? And you can't just predict efficiency with the same degree of precision as tailor predicted. Efficiency.

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Thomas O'Toole: With shovels and sand. So you're right. It's in an attempt to make the science of public administration analogous to the natural sciences. That's what they're looking for. Right? The laws or putative laws are stripped of normative values, right of the distortions created by the incorrigible individual psyche, right human behavior, which is sometimes irrational.

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Thomas O'Toole: right? And they're not finding it. And Doll says they never will. Right? So there are 3 problems that Doll identifies in the articulation of public administration as a science. Any good. Did you have a question?

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Thomas O'Toole: Yeah, I know. Yeah, I mean, so this is kind of like, if, again, if you apply to do this seminar with me next fall in comparative public administration. This is stuff we riff on for the entire semester. Right? What are the context factors that contribute to an administrative phenomenon that we're looking at. Right? And so Doll isn't saying like, don't compare anything he's saying. Let's be upfront about the the unique context factors that contribute to what we're seeing.

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Thomas O'Toole: Right? So he's allowing for a degree of relativism. Right? So the first problem, he says, is that values or normative concerns. The difference between is and ought. Right are for the most part invisible to science. Right? As we discussed earlier, you know, public and nonprofit administrators by virtue of their their mission orientation serving the public at large are always concerned with values. That's why we start the course thinking about identity. Right?

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Thomas O'Toole: Both the values that are influencing them from the political environment. And again, we're not just thinking of political environment as the influence of elected officials, right as well as the values that individual managers think about right. Everything that's coming to bear on them when they make their own decisions right?

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Thomas O'Toole: And from dolls. Perspective values are highly relativistic. Right? I gave this example to you a couple of weeks ago. Right? He writes very correctly on the issue of efficiency. Right? So this is why we have to be careful when we say, let's make government run like a business, because the paramount concern, the paramount value in business is efficiency

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Thomas O'Toole: right? So he says. what is efficiency? What is that?

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Thomas O'Toole: Belson and Dachau were efficient by one scale of values? Right? Belsen and Daca were concentration camps. And in any case, why is efficiency the ultimate test?

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Thomas O'Toole: You know, we're so enamored with what's going on in the private sector, we never stop to think about. Why are we holding public administration accountable to the value of efficiency? Efficiency is obviously an important value in public administration. But it's one of many

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Thomas O'Toole: according to what, and whose scale of values is efficiency placed on the highest pedestal? Right? Is not the worship of efficiency itself

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Thomas O'Toole: So he suggests that you know any thorough pragmatic analysis of public administration has to lay bare right the values that are inherent in decision, options and management objectives. Right? The second point he raises is that scientific management and rigid bureaucratic organization, right of the kind that was advocated by Wilson and waiver depends on an assumption of strict rationality.

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Thomas O'Toole: but he says individuals are dominated by reason, or they are so dominated by the technical process as on the assembly line. There's that there's that Taylorism. There's that fortism. You can see, kind of the influence of that in their thinking right, that their individual preferences may be safely ignored.

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Thomas O'Toole: That means that all of those assumptions of strict rationality. If you're going to apply scientific management principles to decision making in the public sector, they would have to hold. And they don't. Why? Because some decision making in the public sector is irrational. Why? Because it's political.

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Thomas O'Toole: Right? Okay. His third critique is that public administration is heavily conditioned by its social and cultural context.

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Thomas O'Toole: And he doesn't. Just, you know we can. You know, we he's thinking about this from a global perspective but even within our own countries we know that different regions, different municipalities have different social or cultural contexts, right? And so to create a universally applicable science of public administration is to assume the transcendence of management principles right across national and cultural boundaries, and he mentions this example of transplanting the British Civil Service system to the United States

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Thomas O'Toole: or the example of transplanting new public management principles onto South Korea, which is one of the examples that II open the course with. Right? So again, it's not that he's arguing against comparative analysis and thinking about comparative best practices is he's reinforcing that any comparative analysis in public administration has to be informed by the political culture that's underpinning. The administrative state. Right? Okay? So now, if Wilson is arguing for a strict dichotomy

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Thomas O'Toole: between politics and administration, so we're looking at kind of a spectrum of thought on this intersection between politics. Administration, right? We go to Nibachi, girdle and pepper. Right? Public administration in dark times Nobachi actually teaches at at Syracuse.

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Thomas O'Toole: So first of all, why didn't botchy girdle and Pepper argue that these are dark times? Right? II. So you know I just said just a side note. I love some of the the literature in this section like this might bore the hell out of you, but some of the pros is so good like, if like, if you look at Norton Long's article, too. Like so good right? I mean, like it's just beautiful pros. But why do they say that that these are dark times?

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Thomas O'Toole: right look, and not not to be a downer right cause. It's a Monday that's heavy for a Monday, but, like, you know, climate change, terrorism like, you know, war rac like everything. Right. Hyper partisanship. Some of you lose a hyper partisanship before, and that's actually a core of their argument. Right? So not only are the arguing that there's not a separation between politics and administration, but that administrators have an obligation, and that's the key for them, right? That administrators.

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Thomas O'Toole: folks like us right, have an obligation to serve as arbiters of political conflict. And to reinvent their practice in what they call a democratic ethos. Right? So what do they mean by that? What's a democratic ethos? What does that mean? In practice? Well, they they actually identify 2 different types, 2 different ethos. Right? One is a bureaucratic ethos, and one is a democratic ethos. So what's a bureaucratic ethos?

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Thomas O'Toole: Remember? Sort of that really pejorative. Take that. Yeah, like, we're all just cogs in the machine. That's what bureaucracy is. Right. So this is waivers cog in the machine. So they're arguing that a bureaucratic ethos embraces values like efficiency, efficacy, expertise, loyalty, and hierarchy. Right?

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Thomas O'Toole: It's very consistent with the principles of scientific management. So you're seeing how this connects right with the argument that that Wilson's laying out and the reinventing government movement right? Making government run more like a business advocating market based reforms in the public sector. And so what's the democratic ethos? What's kind of the flip side of that? Yeah.

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Thomas O'Toole: yeah. So it says, we've gotta be more than that. We've gotta be more than causing the machine right? We have to sort of wake up and sort of escape that mentality, right? So this emerged in the 19 sixties. They were. They were a group of scholars and practitioners that really grew dissatisfied. With this. You know fetishism with efficiency. Right? So they said, you know. They understood scientific management

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Thomas O'Toole: as inhumane, unresponsive, and democratically unaccountable. Right? So on page 136, they say scholars supporting the democratic ethos assert that public administrators can't be value neutral servants of the public will, but

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Thomas O'Toole: rather that administrative behavior should be grounded principally on higher order. Moral principles embedded in the notion of democratic government. Okay? And then they say, implicit in the democratic ethos is that government is obligated to educate.

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Thomas O'Toole: Remember, I said that before that as public administrators, it's also we are all teachers. We are all educators. Right? That's how you empower stakeholders. Right? So it says, we are obligated to educate, that is to say, inform, to impart knowledge, to increase citizen comprehension of and appreciation for the humanistic imperatives of democracy. Right is that true.

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Thomas O'Toole: hey? Do do administrators have obligations, you know, to further, you know, this democratic ethos that they're talking about. What are the sources of those obligations

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Thomas O'Toole: I mean, you should all have an answer to this right? You're all here because of some issue that you're passionate about, and to affect transformative change. Right? So you must want to be more than cogs in the machine. Right?

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Thomas O'Toole: Yeah, absolutely. And what are the sources of ethical obligation, like, what are the like? So if if you're thinking about whether a decision that you're you're what you're sitting, you're contemplating right thinking about your decision options right?

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Thomas O'Toole: Well, different different? There are different sort of like, you know, reference groups or or reference points right? That you might have right, I mean, you know, and you come out. And the reason you're having so much trouble saying it is because

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Thomas O'Toole: right? We are interested in helping human beings because we love human beings right? And I don't know why that's so hard to say and articulate. So where do we get all those values from. We get it from our family. We get it from our constitutions, right? That that sort of description of higher order principles. We get it from religion we get. There's all sorts of of ethical, you know, sources of ethical obligations that we rely on when we make these kinds of decisions. But fundamentally, we are all here

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Thomas O'Toole: because we wanna help human beings because we love human beings. We empathize with human beings. And we want to improve their lives. That's it. It's so hard for us to say that. Why? Because we fetishize efficiency so much. That's the argument that doll is making. But if you think back like, think back on these cases that we've read so far.

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Thomas O'Toole: Right? The death of Marcella Pierce.

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Thomas O'Toole: Okay, the race and social justice initiative case right? Both of those cases represent the 2 sides of the coin. Right? The Navachi, Gerto, and Pepper are describing in their article.

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Thomas O'Toole: Right? There's a method to all this madness. Right?

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Thomas O'Toole: They're describing to those cases. Illustrate for you 2 sides of the coin. Right? So the death of Marcella pears clearly demonstrates the life threatening consequences of a bureaucratic ethos. When you dehumanize the work of public administrators, when you don't see the cases that you're meant to help, right the cases that you're working on as humans. Right? You become that cog in the machine.

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Thomas O'Toole: The race and social justice initiative clearly demonstrates the kind of empowerment right that Nabachi Gurgle and Pepper are thinking about when they think about the democratic ethos. So that's why I have you read

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Thomas O'Toole: those 2 cases before we discuss Nabachi girdle and pepper, because they clearly illustrate, on one hand, the bureaucratic ethos. What are the consequences of dehumanizing our work of treating the cases of the people that we're trying to help as numbers. And it's very easy to fall into that mentality right? Because, as we discussed.

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Thomas O'Toole: you know, in social work, you know, they're overwhelmed. They're underfunded, right? So it takes some effort to move beyond that and sort of adopt this democratic ethos in our work. But it's critical because you can see the results. If it's not right, I mean, it's it's catastrophic, alright.

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Thomas O'Toole: So I wanna return to 2 points that are, you know, connected to some of the content that I covered in the mini lectures and readings in in, I think, in module one. Because these 2 points segue really nicely into our topic for this week, which is thinking about stakeholder environment. So the content on policy field analysis. If you remember, way back to Module one I had. Your view is really built on the work of 2 scholars.

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Thomas O'Toole: Angela Day and Patrick Doble, who do a lot of work on mapping public sector stakeholder environments. Right? So this is the force field of public administration that we'll talk about. Most likely on Wednesday, and it includes, again, a wide range of governmental and non-governmental stakeholders. All of which will have some stake in what our organization is doing. Some of these stakeholders will have more influence than others. And some will only be

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Thomas O'Toole: animated right around the type of intervention that your organization is pursuing. Right? So the upshot is that this stakeholder environment is complex. It's constantly changing. And it was as a result, environmental scanning right? Getting a good picture of what's going on in your environment from a stakeholder perspective. Is pretty much a constant preoccupation for most of you. If if you pursue public or nonprofit practice. So

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Thomas O'Toole: day and doble argue, and I think correctly, that it's really easy for public managers to either become overwhelmed by the shifting forces in their environment or to miss a critical stakeholder or engagement opportunity if they haven't thoughtfully or intentionally map their environment? Right? The question is, what do we include on this map? Even if it's a mental map? Right? So in in systems, thinking, if any of you take it with professors, professors, Cabrera.

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Thomas O'Toole: right? You do a lot of mental mapping right? So they're suggesting that you think about a few things. And again, this is something else that you can lay on top of our cases to try and help you sort out what's going on and what are the motivations of the case? Protagonists. Right? So first forces in our environment. Right? These can be either internal or external

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Thomas O'Toole: right? And they can either be challenges, opportunities, or threats imposed by specific stakeholders. So you can see this is all kind of if you've done swat analysis before right strengths, weakness, opportunities, threat analysis. You can see kind of setting the table for you right?

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Thomas O'Toole: Or they can be imposed by specific stakeholders or by broad political, economic and social forces in society, right? So forces in your environment. That's one thing that you have to map right? Second, who belongs right? In other words, what type of stakeholder are we dealing with? And how do we understand their relative impact on our work? And I'll make the case to you. Align with our discussion of dominant and subordinate groups right the week before last.

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Thomas O'Toole: That who belongs isn't simply a matter of power and interest, but equity as well. Right? So it's just something to keep in mind who belongs at the table that never had a seat before. Right?

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Thomas O'Toole: The authorizing environment. So what is it that gives our environment the legal the moral or the resource legitimacy to do something. So in a public sector context that might be the Constitution. It might be the legislature, it might be administrative law. In a nonprofit context, we're usually talking about a nonprofit's charter and its board of directors, right staff, partners and contractors.

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Thomas O'Toole: those that are internal to the intervention, with some consideration paid to their motivations. Right? And their constraints?

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Thomas O'Toole: Relationships and interconnectedness. What is the nature and quality of the interaction between stakeholders and our organization? Right? What's the criteria that they're using to assess your performance? Right? That goes back to the point I raised about thinking about the strategic understanding of identity. What what matters to your stakeholders? Right?

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Thomas O'Toole: So I'll talk more about this mapping framework on Wednesday. But it's one way to start thinking about how to pull apart the complexities of some of these cases.

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Thomas O'Toole: the other framework that I can talk about is you know. You know. So we've looked at a couple of frameworks in the course. So far, right? We've looked at kettle's 3 elements of accountability. We've looked at organizational DNA. You can think of day and Doble's mapping framework as another means of pulling apart some of these cases, or even understanding some of your own professional experiences. Right? If you think about them in hindsight. Why do we like frameworks and management scholarship and practice well.

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Thomas O'Toole: particularly in public management, which involves again, sorting out complex relationships, trying to solve that Whodunnit problem that I've referenced in the past.

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Thomas O'Toole: We can rely on frameworks as sort of a rudimentary diagnostic tool, right? To clarify lines of responsibility and therefore accountability, right? As well as decision options. So again, these frameworks can be especially useful in sorting out management cases, which which are not containers of truth, I have to keep reinforcing that and that can actually be told through the lens of unreliable narrator. So these kinds of

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Thomas O'Toole: frameworks allow you as an analyst. Someone looking at this case, you know, being sort of like embedded in this case, you know, coming in from the outside to sort out all right. What's going on here? Right? So this is a framework that I talked about in in Module one. It's the more tools framework developed by Jonathan Brock. Right? So when you read a case.

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Thomas O'Toole: you know, one of the things you can do is kind of like, you know. If if I were giving you a cheat sheet for the course which I actually do at some at some point towards the end of the course I give you kind of a cheat sheet of all these analytical frameworks. There's also a a review section in one of the modules. Like, all right, everything we've talked about up until this point. Right? But more tools as an acronym. That, you know, will encounter throughout the course. You know it stands for mission and purpose, objectives of the manager

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Thomas O'Toole: risks and problems, external and internal actors, tools and constraints, opportunities, outcomes and elements of a potential solution, legacy and strategy and action plan. Right? So mission right? The mission of an organization essentially tells a story about the organization's central purpose. Right? You know, the mission is usually informed by the organization's authorizing legislation. In the case of a nonprofit organization, it's charter right?

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Thomas O'Toole: we've already discussed a few significant problems in understanding the mission of organizations. Right? First, there might be a great deal of disagreement among stakeholders as to internal stakeholders, as well as to what the mission of the organization actually is.

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Thomas O'Toole: Second delivery of public services might involve collaboration across both mission and profit driven organizations. And there can also be a disconnect between an organization's mission and how that mission is interpreted and implemented at the street level, right or the point of service.

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Thomas O'Toole: Objectives of the manager. So think about when you're reading these cases, the short and long term objectives of the case protagonists right? Or that confront you as a manager. Right? What type of problem are you dealing with? Is it a problem that's been confronted in the past? Is it a unique problem requiring a unique solution. What are the short and long term priorities? So, for example, in the early stages of the pandemic

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Thomas O'Toole: New York State was focused largely on ensuring that there were enough ventilators, icu beds for critical patients, that with the short term objective right the long term objective was securing new supply chains. So that the scarcity of of the State, the State initially encountered wouldn't hinder its response to future epidemics or pandemics. Right?

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Thomas O'Toole: Risks and problems. So public administration is a field that's rife, and you might be getting this sense now, with no win scenarios. Right? Sorry. Every decision. Option usually presents kind of a multitude of risks and potential problems. Some of those risks are very serious. Right? Including potentially the loss of life. That's again why I start out

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Thomas O'Toole: the course with the death of Marcella peers to reinforce that some of the decisions that you might make as public managers, might re actually risk life right? And others are nominal. So like temporary, disrupting working relationships, right, external and internal actors. Who are the key players or the stakeholders surrounding a decision? Option? Again, what is their relative weight? How are? How can they influence a decision? Option? How does that understanding affect how you or the case protagonists will manage the organization's relationship?

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Thomas O'Toole: The tools and constraints. There are a number of formal constraints on the work of public administrators. A lot of those constraints have been put in place to ensure accountability.

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Thomas O'Toole: There are also a number of informal tools at the disposal of a public administrator. Right? So, for example, civil service regulations often require an extensive process of review and arbitration before personnel are terminated right? So there's that formal process that's in place. Right? But there are also informal tools. Right? Not all tools and constraints are formal. So you know, having that informal chat at Starbucks, right with an employee to hash out problems

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Thomas O'Toole: can often lead to a satisfactory resolution. Right? Especially if there's a case where you don't necessarily want to document all concerns that you have against an employee, right? Because the documentation standards of, you know, discipline in the public sector can be quite high as well right, and the trick is to find that balance between formal and informal tools. So you know if I'm asking you to look at a case, I might ask you, okay, what are the formal and informal tools

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Thomas O'Toole: that are available to resolve the scenario, or to resolve whatever challenge that you're seeing in the case. Right?

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Thomas O'Toole: Opportunities. Every dilemma also presents an opportunity for the organization. Whether that means, you know, an improvement in service delivery. Creating a sense of urgency among stakeholders forming new relationships. There's always an opportunity there. One of the things that I'll reinforce to you again when we talk about swot analysis is that not every opportunity is positive.

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Thomas O'Toole: positives in their environment. Something that happens in the environment that's catastrophic can also be an opportunity that you can seize on to effect change. So if there's a shift in public opinion, right? As a result of a catastrophe, that's an opportunity that you can seize on right? So just keep that in mind, outcomes and elements of a stable solution. What's the bare minimum that needs to happen in order to resolve? The challenge that you're seeing in the case

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Thomas O'Toole: legacy. Given the turnover again, that's very common in public agencies, particularly at the senior executive or political appointee levels. Legacy is an important concern. Right? The same logic applies across executive transitions. Right? So

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Thomas O'Toole: so here, what they're getting at is what are the implications of decisions that will at last our tenure as managers. Right? That will impact the organization's success in the future. Right? And then finally, strategy and action plan. So a strategy is essentially a plan, a pattern of choices. That includes a prioritization of action steps. That takes into account formal and informal tools and constraints. So we're looking again for a pattern

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Thomas O'Toole: pattern of behavior, right? Not individual choices, not tactics, strategy. We're looking at an overarching pattern of behavior, sort of a a coalescing pattern of behavior right? And a lot of the cases that we'll look at throughout the course. It's clear that the protagonist in the case has an objective, and they might have an understanding how to achieve that objective from a tactical perspective. But they don't have an understanding of how to how that fits into the overall strategy of the organization. Right?

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Thomas O'Toole: So again, policy, field analysis, mapping more tools, these are all frameworks. And again, these are part of your tool, Kit. Right? You don't have to. If I give you a discussion board or give you a directed memo. Assign. You don't have to shoehorn all these things into your analysis. These are tools that you can choose, depending on the scenario. Whichever makes sense for analyzing the scenario that you're looking at. Right? It tells us sort of about the why, what's going on in our environment?

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Thomas O'Toole: Alright. So let's look at this this case on building a dialogue around race to change political institutions. The city of Seattle starts the race and social justice initiative. So what was this case about. Where are we at the beginning of the case?

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Thomas O'Toole: I mean, where are we? Is answered right in the title of the case.

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Thomas O'Toole: We're in Seattle. Right? So the take case takes place in Seattle. The case is framed around the legacy of redlining in Seattle, right as a really overt kind of in your face example of administrative racism. Have you ever heard this term redlining, or this practice of redlining? What is redlining

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Thomas O'Toole: areas that they believe for less desirable.

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Thomas O'Toole: segregated them all from the entire warden. The ethnicity that they we better deserve those properties for access.

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Thomas O'Toole: Yeah. So redlining as a practice has a has roots in what the case refers to as covenant laws, right? Which were laws that were mostly enacted by neighborhood associations that sought to prohibit minorities from buying, leasing or renting property right? Redlining was also informed by Banks, by real estate agents, hospitals that either refuse service to minorities, or that charge minorities higher fees for service than whites. Right? So Seattle.

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Thomas O'Toole: Now, Seattle, despite its reputation, or or the our perception of it as a progressive city. Like most municipalities in the United States, has a deeply rooted history of administrative evil and racism. Right? In fact, at 1 point the case suggests that this perception of this reputation of Seattle as a progressive city was actually a hindrance to some of the work that they were trying to do in the case? Right? Why did the case author make that point like, what were they? What were they getting at?

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Thomas O'Toole: Why did they say that was actually a hindrance.

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Thomas O'Toole: So they say it. It can ought to be the case that progresses. You know those who think that they're kind of fighting the good fight right? Or who are allies, are the most defensive

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Thomas O'Toole: when challenged to acknowledge their privilege. Right? So there's a reaction right? The author also mentions this idea of Seattle. Nice quote, unquote Seattle. Nice? Right? That Seattle lights are known for being congenial to each other until a racially motivated incident occurred. And then it's kind of knives out right? That cognitive dissonance right can be particularly challenging when you're trying to undo something that's

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Thomas O'Toole: as pervasive right in both explicit and implicit ways as systemic racism. So who were the key stakeholders in the case?

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Thomas O'Toole: This gets you into thinking about like who who are the key stakeholders right in the environment. So you know, who are, you know the the the external and internal actors from a more tools perspective that you know we're thinking, might have an influence on the outcome of the case or the the success of the intervention that they're trying to put in place in the in the case. Right?

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Thomas O'Toole: So, who are the key stakeholders? Yeah. So there was a Mickey Byrne who was a member of basically

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Thomas O'Toole: it was so he was nominated to be the chair of the Race and Social Justice Initiative. But before that he worked for the City Council, I believe.

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Thomas O'Toole: Yeah. And it's a shame that the case isn't good to go into Fern's background. There, there's a really great book. That I've I've picked up trailblazing African American public administrators, and it sort of goes into infern is one of the subjects of the book. It goes into kind of the unsung black heroes of public administration in the Us. But Fern actually had a 50 year career in public service. Not in this undoing racism space.

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Thomas O'Toole: But in parks and recreation management. Right? And he mentions at some point in the case he's like, Hey, I'm new to this right? I haven't done this work before. Right? That was the space that he worked on in California.

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Thomas O'Toole: Before moving to Washington. He did some community outreach and education work for the Mayor of Oakland, which likely built up a lot of the skill set that he was using in this case. But his background was actually in parks and recreation and not in undoing racism. So Fern is one key stakeholder. Right? Who else?

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Thomas O'Toole: Yeah. Go ahead. The office of school rights. Ocr, yeah. Ocr, right? So what was their? What was their responsibility in all this. Well, they had, you know, the as a stakeholder in it to

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Thomas O'Toole:? yeah. And so from an organizational DNA, DNA perspective. How did the role of Ocr evolve over the course of the case to kind of like, you know? Make sure that from a structure and decision, rights perspective. Everything was aligned to actually execute the race and social justice initiative in the way it should be executed.

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Thomas O'Toole: It was sort of like his. Is this his sort of O awareness? Right? So so you know, first. So we have Greg Nichols right? Greg Nicol serves as Mayor of Seattle from 2,002 to 2,010 right? And you know, when you first get into this case, or at least, me personally thought this was, gonna be kind of a white savior story. Right? You you sort of. But then, yeah, provide some context for this push of his to develop the Rsji, and then the case kind of moves on.

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Thomas O'Toole: So what does Nichols want to do at the outside of the case he has kind of like this absurd Eureka moment.

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Thomas O'Toole: sort of a trick question. So I feel like I'm giving you a lot of trick questions. It's a trick question. He doesn't really know what he wants to do

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Thomas O'Toole: Because he's suddenly awakened to this problem of systemic risk. So it's not, you know you, you you keep harping on like his. It's not his experience right? He suddenly awakened to the problem of systemic racism in Seattle after the killing of Aaron Roberts, who was an African American during an encounter with law enforcement. Then, when he's on the campaign trail. He's in his late forties right?

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Thomas O'Toole: It begins to dawn on him again in his late 40 s. That the experience and perception of race and racism that he has is very different

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Thomas O'Toole: right? He doesn't know what he wants to do. So he essentially announces a goal of ending racism in city government. Right? And then he tasks a a an administrator, Mickey firm. With implementing a strategy to achieve that goal. So he so he sort of tasked firm with developing this pattern of choices right to that will ultimately be articulated by the race and social justice initiative to end racism in city government. Right now, that's a tall order.

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Thomas O'Toole: right? That's a tall order ending racism in city government, right? And Nichols finds this very finds this out very quickly, and so does Fern. Right? So Fern is asked by Nichols to lead this race and social justice initiative under 2 conditions. Anyone remember what they were.

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Thomas O'Toole: So first, he didn't want to waste time convincing people that racism was real right?

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Thomas O'Toole: And second, you know, he, he wanted to make sure that structure and decision rights around this initiative were aligned with the mission and values of the the the the Rsji itself. Right? So then there's Jermaine Covington, right? Jermaine Covington was director of the city's office of civil rights. This is where Ocr comes in which at the time had been sponsoring a series of dialogues on race with cities. City staff called

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Thomas O'Toole: while these talks I'm trying to serve serve the purpose of, you know, enhancing workplace diversity, cultural confidence that really didn't get at the heart of the matter. Which was the systemic problem of racism. That affected the city's work. So what was the first step Fern took?

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Thomas O'Toole: And again, when we, when we discuss the steps that he took throughout this case, and the steps that Jermaine Covington took throughout this case. I want you to think about this against kind of how are they? But they were mapping their environment

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Thomas O'Toole: The test is cumulative. So you gotta you gotta think about this through the frameworks that we discussed in class, right? So the first step he took was right.

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Thomas O'Toole: it's next, okay. So yeah, he met with many of the departments in the city, and spoke with their leaders and people, working departments about what they felt was affecting their administration, not just within the city.

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Thomas O'Toole: Right? So so, thinking about this idea of external and internal actors, right? The first step he took was to broaden the dialogue.

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Thomas O'Toole: Okay? So he recognized that historically, minorities have been pretty much shut out of a lot of the advisory committees. The city used to inform their work. So he convenes this working group of leaders of organizations representing people of color to help advise the city on how the Rsj should move forward. So it's not just internal actors he's looking externally as well. Right?

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Thomas O'Toole: The second step he took was actually something that could be done in the short term. So one of the things that you know he's doing to build momentum is generating short term wins and that's something that as a public administrator, you always have to do cause as we've discussed before, elected officials are always looking at short term wins, and that's how you kind of sustain the momentum for your work. Right? But remember, the more systemic issues would take time to address.

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Thomas O'Toole: You know we raised that in the discussion last week on that that case that I previewed for you on U.S.A. And Rwanda that distinction between humanitarian development aid. Why would there be this this emphasis on humanitarian versus development aid because elected officials need to be short, need to see short term wins right. That's the unfortunate reality.

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Thomas O'Toole: So he looks at kind of the nuts and bolts of what departments are doing

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Thomas O'Toole: right. And he finds that Seattle public utilities had revamped its contracting and procurement processes to think about how to prioritize minority. And women owned businesses in contracting right? Because historically, 95%

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Thomas O'Toole: of government contracts were going to white owned businesses. Okay? But to really operationalize the work of Rsji. There was a a decision made to move the initiative under the office of civil rights. So here's where we're thinking about organizational DNA

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Thomas O'Toole: You know, oversight of Rsji in a way that align with the objectives of the program right? Which meant, now, Rsji had the staffing and the expertise right with the capacity to actually do something about this right to do some of the things Firm wanted to do so. Now Jermaine Covington and and Mickey Fern are working together right? And what was the approach they came up with? They called this disease strategy.

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Thomas O'Toole: So if you look at page 6 of the case, they essentially developed a framework that would align relationships and hold stakeholders accountable. Right? So this is where it comes in, where you think about mapping not only your external and internal actors, but you understand your opportunities right? That's where that's what we're going towards right thinking about, how do we assess what our stakeholders want? And how do we assess the relative impact that they can have over what we're trying to do right.

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Thomas O'Toole:? So 2 of Kettle's 3 prongs of public administration are demonstrated here in the in the early stages of Copington and Fern's work, right politics in terms of relationship management. Okay, and accountability, right? Ensuring personnel are responsive. To meeting the goals of Rsj, and so first, you know, to try to build, buy in from the top down. Mayor, Nichols suggests. Here we go. An anti racism training for executive staff. Now we get to that right? And what happens?

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Thomas O'Toole: It's a disaster right? Why is it a disaster?

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Thomas O'Toole: yeah. And we actually talked about this when we talked about, you know, identity and and thinking about how, how do you actually do this kind of work in practice? And someone raised the point that it's really critical that you get facilitators that know how to how to sort of manage these kinds of dialogues right? Because, again, if you think back to the session we had on identity.

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Thomas O'Toole: you know, I mentioned my wife's experience with anti racism trainings. Right? So if if they're not facilitated in a really thoughtful way. They can actually serve to permanently damage workplace relationships. But they tried again. Right? With a different consultant.

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Thomas O'Toole: The dialog was more productive this time. Again, you know, the point of these trainings is to affect long term systemic change. It's hard. It's not something anyone realistically believes will change hearts and minds overnight. Right? If that's the promise, then it's likely just performative, right?

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Thomas O'Toole: And speaking of performative, you know, while we've talked about politics and accountability. We haven't yet talked about performance. Right? One of the biggest challenges with doing this kind of work is measuring progress.

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Thomas O'Toole: right performance and accountability are obviously linked. But we haven't talked about performance yet. You can hold a department accountable if you haven't established some kind of benchmark for success. Right? So how did firms suggest holding departments accountable for complying with Rsji goals?

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Thomas O'Toole: It's actually kind of interesting.

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Thomas O'Toole: So a lot of Fern's early work in this area was kind of it was kind of like hit or miss. Right? You had departments who were essentially tokenizing their commitment to Rsji. Right? And you find this a lot, there'll be a piece of legislation. There'll be a public law pass and it'll actually take additional effort to ensure implementation. Right? So Mayor Nichols works with fern to establish what they called an accountability agreement.

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Thomas O'Toole: Right? So the analogy here is an environment like sort of like an environmental impact statement. If you know what that is right? An environmental impact statement is

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Thomas O'Toole: a statement that anyone developing a land use project has to complete that assesses the overall environmental impact of the project right? And the case specifically mentions the environmental impact statement as the basis for the Rsji accountability agreement? Right? So what was specified in in the accountability agreement? What did it ask departments to document? And, by the way.

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Thomas O'Toole: when we think about something like the accountability agreement. We're thinking about tools and constraints right? Because now we have these accountability agreements that are actually formal tools, right? That we can use to sort of think about our decision options and the progress of the work that we're doing? Okay? So what was the what would these accountability agreements about

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Thomas O'Toole: So now you're gonna walk the walk right? So now you know, it asks them to document specific activities and develop performance metrics right for meeting Rsji goals. Okay? Not in a performative way, but in a way that would be meaningful and auditable. Right? So there's that accountability that we're looking for right. They also establish a requirement that each department submit work plans documenting their progress towards Rsji goals. Right?

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Thomas O'Toole: And those work plans had to address a couple different areas, workplace equity.

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Thomas O'Toole: right? So they wanted to look at improving the diversity of the workforce at all levels across functions, ensuring equity and hiring and promotion, economic equity so changing, purchasing, and contracting practices to increase participation by people of color, immigrant and refugee services, right? So improving access to services for immigrant and refugee communities.

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Thomas O'Toole: Public engagement, right improving access and influence of communities of color capacity, building, increasing the knowledge and tools used by city staff to achieve race and social justice. So this is what they wanted. These are kind of the the broad objectives that they wanted them to establish.

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Thomas O'Toole: You know, actionable goals, specific activities, performance metrics around. They even incorporated progress around Rsji goals into the annual performance evaluations of department directors. So not only are they holding departments accountable as a whole.

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Thomas O'Toole: For actually walking the walk on Rsji objectives. They're holding department heads individually accountable for making sure that their departments were moving any illness. Right? So sometimes you need the carrot. Sometimes you need to stick right?

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Thomas O'Toole: Alright, so I'll I'll leave you with 2 sort of 2 questions right? You know, as you think about this case. Right? So first, how did Covington and Ferns work? Acknowledge kettle's 3 characteristics of the administrative process, right? So politics accountability performance, right? And I think that we flesh that out pretty clearly. But if you were gonna include this, or if you're gonna analyze this case in in a directive memo assignment that would be helpful to think about intent.

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Thomas O'Toole: And then how did Covington and Fern kind of think about organizational DNA, right? Decision, right structure, information motivators around Seattle city government right to move Rsj forward. Right? And so I hope through this case and through you know the Marcella Pierce case. You can see, you know, a couple of of things right? So that first, the connection between politics and administration. Alright

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Thomas O'Toole: connecting to the the reading that we had to do by Wilson right? So in this case there was a clear connection between. An elected official, Nichols, right? And public administrators Covington and Fern. Right? In other cases there might not be that connection. In fact. You know, we'll look at a case later on in the course where a mayor establishes a goal that is impossible. For public administrators to meet right, and we'll have to think about. You know what's the fallout of that disconnect between politics and administration?

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Thomas O'Toole: Right? What's the consequence? But here the linkage between politics and administration, I think, is very clear, right? It's very. It's very over.

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Thomas O'Toole: You know. Covington and Fern are not cogs in the machine, right? They're proactive. They're constructive both in policy, formulation and implementation. They recognize the opportunity that they had right.

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Thomas O'Toole: they knew that to maintain political support, right? They'd have to develop performance measures that would demonstrate quick wins for Nickel's constituents. They move that chess piece forward. At the same time they were doing the more difficult work of undoing racism through structured dialogue with personnel and second thinking back to kind of these, this distinction that Navachi, Gurdell, and Pepper make

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Thomas O'Toole: between a bureaucratic and democratic ethos. Covington and Fern clearly demonstrated a democratic ethos. In this case right? Other administrators might have let departments get away with the kind of performic you know, cosmetic, tokenized quote, unquote success. Right? Departments were initially trying to get away with.

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Thomas O'Toole: but understanding that they were at a very real crossroads and dealing with the legacy of races in Seattle. They really seized the opportunity right, and served as arbiters of political tension in the vein of what Nabachi and Godel and Pepper have in mind. Right they were executing that obli obligation of educating and empowering right, not just internally, but externally. Alright.

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Thomas O'Toole: Okay, that's all for today. Again, any questions on your your directed memo assignment. Let me know. I'm up pretty late, so feel free to shoot me an email. On Wednesday we'll get more into thinking about organizational structure and stakeholder mapping and engagement. And we'll cover the the first. Yeah. The first 2 international cases.

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Thomas O'Toole: In the course. Right? It was, what are the cases from south? Is it South Korea and China? Right? Yeah. So we're gonna go abroad on Wednesday.

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